Xander: How? What? How? Giles: Three excellent questions.

Xander/Giles ,'Never Leave Me'


The Great Write Way, Act Three: Where's the gun?

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


Amy - May 01, 2012 10:39:05 am PDT #5280 of 6690
Because books.

Oops. Didn't need to say it twice.


Laura - May 01, 2012 1:43:30 pm PDT #5281 of 6690
Our wings are not tired.

I can't say off the top of my head a description that has thrown me off, although it has happened. The one thing that does come to mind is when the author uses the exact same description repeatedly. Ok author, you have described his long narrow nose 15 times already, I got it. Next time you see him in silhouette how about you describe the chin, or better yet do we need to describe the same face 113 times in one novel? Yes, I remember, the eyes are green. Yep, you mentioned a few dozen times the height. Might just be me, but it annoys me because instead of thinking about the character or situation now I am thinking about how it is written. I certainly enjoy pausing from time to time and thinking about how nicely some passage was written, but mostly I just want to be drawn into the story. Repeated descriptions or phrases pull me out of the story.


Amy - May 02, 2012 7:37:37 am PDT #5282 of 6690
Because books.

I thought of one, Gud -- when men are described as giggling. I know some men do giggle, but something about reading the word "giggle" makes me think of a little kid, or possibly a real psycho, like a mad villain type.


Consuela - May 02, 2012 2:21:05 pm PDT #5283 of 6690
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

One of the things that gets me is when a POV character goes on and on about their own physical characteristics. Like, "I swept my strawberry-blonde shoulder-length hair out of the way of my collar, and batted my blue eyes at the doorman as he let me out. My breasts pressed against the tight material of my low-cut top."

A: Most people do not spend a lot of time thinking about their own physical characteristics that way. Usually it's more like, "Man, I have to get my color fixed and it's too short-notice to get to the salon this weekend, maybe I can get a good box of blonde at Walgreens on the way home?"

B: My example above included one of the things that really throw me out of a story, which is when a man is writing from a woman's pov but uses a male gaze for it. Most women (not all) don't spend much time thinking about their breasts, and (outside of a sexual encounter) generally aren't aware of them doing anything, unless there's a problem, like your bra is too tight or you're bouncing too much or the material of your shirt is thinner than you thought...

It's a question of what is an appropriate perspective for the narrative voice. I mean, okay, if the character in that first quote were someone in disguise, or working a scam that needed her physical characteristics to be pointed out, fine. But just stuck in there as a way to describe her, it's both awkward and uncomfortable.


Connie Neil - May 02, 2012 2:55:55 pm PDT #5284 of 6690
brillig

Repeating the same point over and over is one of the things that annoys me about Laurell K Hamilton. The Nikes and their particular color of swoop, or the brand of Anita's holster. Gah.


Amy - May 02, 2012 3:31:59 pm PDT #5285 of 6690
Because books.

It's a question of what is an appropriate perspective for the narrative voice.

That's a textbook rookie mistake. Editors should know to stamp that out, including protagonists who look in the mirror in the first scene so they can describe what they look like.

I think authors think readers want to know what a character looks like, but not so much, really. What you want is the reader to *feel* your character, be in her head. And yeah, what you said about no one walking around thinking about her sparkling blue eyes and the way her boobs feel in her bra.


Typo Boy - May 02, 2012 3:44:57 pm PDT #5286 of 6690
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

And it is not like there are not ways to handle it. Like complaining about the difficulties of finding a comfortable sports bra that fits for a woman with big boobs. Or one character telling another 'don't bat those baby blues at me and expect to change my mind' only in a less cliched way than my example.


erikaj - May 02, 2012 3:58:08 pm PDT #5287 of 6690
Always Anti-fascist!

I remember once I wore a new dress out to lunch after a rainstorm, I got such great service...everyone was really friendly. Then I got home and found one reason. They could see through my new outfit.


Connie Neil - May 02, 2012 4:46:12 pm PDT #5288 of 6690
brillig

the only time I wander around the house thinking about my boobs is when I have PMS and want to lop them off.


Gudanov - May 02, 2012 5:39:28 pm PDT #5289 of 6690
Coding and Sleeping

I think authors think readers want to know what a character looks like, but not so much, really.

There have been a few books/stories I've read where the POV character is never physically described, and I only notice it because I'm curious about the approaches the author takes to doing it. I'd probably never notice if I was just reading.