On my seventh birthday, I wanted a toy fire truck, and I didn't get it, and you were real nice about it, and then the house next door burnt down, and then real firetrucks came, and for years I thought you set the fire for me. And if you did, you can tell me!

Xander ,'Same Time, Same Place'


The Great Write Way, Act Three: Where's the gun?

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


Barb - Apr 12, 2011 2:04:33 pm PDT #4302 of 6690
“Not dead yet!”

Actually, Amy, maybe wildness is a bit more what I'm going for. Told you I didn't know exactly what the tone of the scene was, exactly. ::grins::


Connie Neil - Apr 14, 2011 9:40:31 am PDT #4303 of 6690
brillig

I have found the most wonderful description of the detective character, it's in Raymond Chandler's 1950 essay, "The Simple Art of Murder", where you get the quote "I hold no particular brief for the detective story as the ideal escape. I merely say that all reading for pleasure is escape, whether it be Greek, mathematics, astronomy, Benedetto Croce, or The Diary of the Forgotten Man. To say otherwise is to be an intellectual snob, and a juvenile at the art of living."

In everything that can be called art there is a quality of redemption. It may be pure tragedy, if it is high tragedy, and it may be pity and irony, and it may be the raucous laughter of the strong man. But down these mean streets a man must go who is not himself mean, who is neither tarnished nor afraid. The detective in this kind of story must be such a man. He is the hero, he is everything. He must be a complete man and a common man and yet an unusual man. He must be, to use a rather weathered phrase, a man of honor, by instinct, by inevitability, without thought of it, and certainly without saying it. He must be the best man in his world and a good enough man for any world. I do not care much about his private life; he is neither a eunuch nor a satyr; I think he might seduce a duchess and I am quite sure he would not spoil a virgin; if he is a man of honor in one thing, he is that in all things. He is a relatively poor man, or he would not be a detective at all. He is a common man or he could not go among common people. He has a sense of character, or he would not know his job. He will take no man’s money dishonestly and no man’s insolence without a due and dispassionate revenge. He is a lonely man and his pride is that you will treat him as a proud man or be very sorry you ever saw him. He talks as the man of his age talks, that is, with rude wit, a lively sense of the grotesque, a disgust for sham, and a contempt for pettiness. The story is his adventure in search of a hidden truth, and it would be no adventure if it did not happen to a man fit for adventure. He has a range of awareness that startles you, but it belongs to him by right, because it belongs to the world he lives in.

That's the kind of character I want to create and read.


erikaj - Apr 14, 2011 10:42:13 am PDT #4304 of 6690
Always Anti-fascist!

wrod. Although "he" can sometimes be a she.


Typo Boy - Apr 20, 2011 12:39:48 pm PDT #4305 of 6690
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Dream last night - Spooky dream creature: "The dead aren't necessarily malicious, but they are always selfish."

In case anyone wants to use that line.


Connie Neil - Apr 20, 2011 12:40:08 pm PDT #4306 of 6690
brillig

Such a cool line.


Typo Boy - Apr 20, 2011 12:48:43 pm PDT #4307 of 6690
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I won't ever use it so anyone who wants to can. I suspect I will enjoy any story that it fits.


hippocampus - Apr 20, 2011 2:41:00 pm PDT #4308 of 6690
not your mom's socks.

Lovely line.

Eta - is there any way I can have a war with trees and not invoke Sauron or Orson Scott Card?


Ginger - Apr 20, 2011 2:53:01 pm PDT #4309 of 6690
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

is there any way I can have a war with trees and not invoke Sauron or Orson Scott Card?

They were probably influenced by the fighting trees of Oz.


Typo Boy - Apr 20, 2011 3:13:04 pm PDT #4310 of 6690
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

MacBeth Birnham woods. Also Celtic mythology though I'm a bit vague as to where. (Come to think of it if it is LOTR it is probably Celtic or Germanic myth.) So you can just go pre-Tolkein and find the source myth.


hippocampus - Apr 20, 2011 3:18:20 pm PDT #4311 of 6690
not your mom's socks.

You guys rock. I'd forgotten.

Er, Shakespeare. Not you.