Angel: Connor, this is Spike and Illyria. Guys, this is Connor. Connor: Hi. umm...I like your outfit. Illyria: Your body warms. This one is lusting after me. Connor: Oh...no, I--I--it's just that it's the outfit. I guess I've had a thing for older women. Angel: They were supposed to fix that.

'Origin'


The Great Write Way, Act Three: Where's the gun?

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


Barb - Jul 23, 2008 5:34:07 am PDT #395 of 6681
“Not dead yet!”

Allyson, coming from writing for the YA camp, the worst thing you can do is overthink the age group you're writing for. Whatever you do, don't write down or try to write what you THINK they might like. Just write the story as it's coming to you-- the rest of it, like the dialogue, is all tweakable.

And if you need other betas, I have voracious readers of the 10 and 12 year old variety. And of course, if you'd like, I'll beta for you as well. Anything you need.

Oh, and keep in mind, kids always like reading up-- so a middle grader will want to read about thirteen/fourteen and up.


Beverly - Jul 23, 2008 5:37:51 am PDT #396 of 6681
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Thirding. Just let it onto the page, and tweak it later. If you're writing for your inner 10 year old, your tone should be pretty much dead on. But CJ and Emmett would be a good control group.


lisah - Jul 23, 2008 5:40:48 am PDT #397 of 6681
Punishingly Intricate

And if you need other betas, I have voracious readers of the 10 and 12 year old variety.

And I have a 10-year old niece who is also a great reader and animal lover (although she has recently decided that she wants to be an architect instead of a vet).


Allyson - Jul 23, 2008 5:47:15 am PDT #398 of 6681
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

That's a great idea. I posed the question to JZ in natter. I hope it isn't an inappropriate request. The most I can offer is a bat named Emmett and his name in the acknowledgements.

I booked my ticket to Houston to stay with a friend and visit the Waugh bridge to see the bats (which are my species) fly out to hunt at dusk and am going to call the conservation folks today to see if I can make a bat appointment. An old Bronzer friend is married to a bat biologist, (she's a professor at A&M) and is checking to see if he'll be available to show me the lab.

I really do want to get behavioral/biological details right, even though the elements are in the realm of the fantastic.


Beverly - Jul 23, 2008 6:01:06 am PDT #399 of 6681
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Thank you, Allyson, from the bottom of my heart. I think that's of great importance. I know storytellers have anthropomorphized animals since the dawn of time, and I understand the reasons. But trying to re-teach a five-year-old that actual lions don't have the family dynamic of The Lion King is hard.

Not--that your story is in any way comparable to Disney travesties.


Amy - Jul 23, 2008 6:04:49 am PDT #400 of 6681
Because books.

Bat caves! Such a great idea, Allyson. And echoing what everyone else said -- write the story the way you hear it, and worry about tweaking later.

Barb, that snippet is awesome. What's it for? Or is it just a seed so far?


Connie Neil - Jul 23, 2008 6:31:11 am PDT #401 of 6681
brillig

visit the Waugh bridge to see the bats

Is that the group where they have to shut down flights at the nearby Air Force base every evening when the bats swarm out of the cave?


Allyson - Jul 23, 2008 6:35:04 am PDT #402 of 6681
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Thanks, Beverly. It helps the plot that bats (save a handful of species) don't mind roosting with other species of bats, And that bat mothers are single mothers that have a single pup (save a couple species that have twins, and one that I know of that has triplets).

But you know, internet research only takes one so far. I need to talk to some experts and observe bats.


beekaytee - Jul 23, 2008 6:39:03 am PDT #403 of 6681
Compassionately intolerant

Thanks dcp! I love that Hobbit snippet. Into the workshop it goes.


Laura - Jul 23, 2008 7:07:04 am PDT #404 of 6681
Our wings are not tired.

Allyson, if you would like my 14 and 16 yo readers to give it a try let me know. They may be on the older end of the target range.

I wouldn't let them read WtVPPLtL because of naughty words, because I'm just that way, well not that they asked to read it or anything. In fact they have shown no interest in reading the books I have on the shelf from Amy, Deb, or David either. Silly kids.