Did you make your advance back, Jilli?

Happy GCS anniversary, Jilli!

I have a gameplan now for the rest of Dead Mountain's cutting. It'll get me to 125,000 words if I can carry it out. From there I'm going to count on getting 5% more from more tightening. I'll have to make several cuts that I think will hurt the story, but I don't think there's enough dead wood to avoid it.

Instead of cutting into two pieces? I really don't think it makes sense to make cuts you know will hurt the story when you don't have a publisher or agent. And who knows, once you get a publisher or agent maybe they can find a way to help you avoid the cuts. Or find a way to make cuts that don't hurt the story. Why put extra effort into making your story worse? Do you really think lowering the quality to reduce your word count will improve your chances of getting an agent?

I'm with Typo. I'd rather publish a brilliant story at 120k than a good one at 100k.

I've gotten the impression from multiple sources that there really isn't a market for a first-time author over about that size. The choice sounds like a story getting rejected without a look at 140k or getting a look at 120k.

I'll lose some scenes I think contribute to things, but I'm trying to take out the weakest contributors first.

I could inflate it to about 160k to have two 80k stories, but the first one wouldn't really be standalone, and I think inflating would be worse than shrinking. Right now it seems like the ideal size would be about 135k (I started cutting at 153k and I'm down to 140k so far), but that's still too much. I'll still have the parts to put back in if I find a place that's open to larger works.

So how an 80 with 60 K of the second done. If it is accepted then you could add 20 K of short stories maps, legends, history, descriptions of goverment -some sort of end matter that does not ruin the story to the second one. But only do that if hte first is accepted. You point is you have an 80 thousand word first volume of a two parter, and 60K words of the core of second, with 20 K to be writeen of the second. No compromise of quality. Of if you indist you could write the 20 K of supplemental matter before submisison, but not stretching out the work - just supplmental matter that does not compromise the story telling. No quality compromise, but still commercial.

Definitely a thought, though trying to insert a standalone ending at that point would be difficult.

I think I'll end up with something I'll be happy with in a single novel. There'll be some scenes I'll wish I could stick back in, and details I wish I could add, but I think I'll end up with a pretty decent book.

Length issues aside, I'm starting to feel pretty good about it. I'm making plenty of good cuts, tightening things up, making adjustments based on feedback, and I feel like I'm homing in on a finishing line.

I'm about 1/2 way through this hacking revision right now, then it'll be one more round of tightening and clean-up.

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Lots of publication-ma to you Typo.

I've now taken 18,000 words out, putting me at 135k. I have a big cut coming up of around 5,000 words. This is one where I think it does hurt a bit, but not too bad. Cutting out any scene at this point hurts because I had a reason for putting them in there, but a least I'm getting rid of the ones with the weakest reasons.

When I'm done I'm only going to have scenes where pulling one out is going to make something else unravel. It should make for a fairly tight story. Still a lengthy plot, but all of it pretty focused.