I want to torture you. I used to love it, and it's been a long time. I mean, the last time I tortured someone, they didn't even have chainsaws.

Angel ,'Chosen'


Natter 58: Let's call Venezuela!  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Laura - May 26, 2008 7:22:09 am PDT #8993 of 10001
Our wings are not tired.

Which reminds me, we have here other Buffistas who are not from U.S. here, right?

Have you visited the UnAmericans thread? It isn't very active, so easy to keep up with. The thread name is All Ogle, No Cash -- It's Not Just Annoying, It's Un-American .


Shir - May 26, 2008 7:48:05 am PDT #8994 of 10001
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".

Have you visited the UnAmericans thread?

No, actually I haven't. Thanks!


Jessica - May 26, 2008 7:51:18 am PDT #8995 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I just put two loaves of banana bread in the oven (one baby-safe with no nuts, one parent-safe with nuts, chocolate, and rum) and am waiting for DH to come back from the park with D so we can eat lunch. I will be so sad when this long weekend is over.


brenda m - May 26, 2008 7:55:23 am PDT #8996 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Ooh, I have to do something with some bananas today. Must think on that.

I had a mini baguette from TJs that got rock hard in a week of sitting on my counter, so last night I sliced it up and made a french toast batter with milk, eggs and coconut. Poured it over top and baked this morning - so delicious. Came out as kind of a cross between french toast and bread pudding surrounded with a custard from the excess liquid.

I'm also still so amused at how much the dog likes veggie bacon.


lisah - May 26, 2008 8:19:41 am PDT #8997 of 10001
Punishingly Intricate

Oh, Shir, if you want to post red dress options I'm sure people will help you out. I LOVE vicarious online shopping!

I'm working at home today so that I'm not scrambling to get stuff done before I leave on vacation on Thursday. Would resent not being able to go enjoy this beautiful day more I think if I wasn't pretty hung over. Campari cocktail, so delicious and so headache making.


Sue - May 26, 2008 8:23:19 am PDT #8998 of 10001
hip deep in pie

I just got back fromt he vet. Pico has not really been eating much for the last few days, and started moving very slowly this weekend, and not interested in his usual things (food, catnip, and going outside) $400 later, the vet can't find anything wrong with him.

Of course, I fed him some special cat food when we got home, and he gobbled it up. Maybe he's just a very expensive fussy eater.

I think I need a scotch.


Steph L. - May 26, 2008 8:30:08 am PDT #8999 of 10001
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

So, if anyone has done this kind of freelance work and can give me advice on how to figure this out, I would very much appreciate it.

quester, in terms of *design* only, not editing -- how many pages is it, and what is the layout like? For instance, since it's a book, I'm assuming that the design/content of each page is more or less the same (unlike a newsletter/brochure/etc.) Which would make it less time-intensive than a project where the contents of each page are variable.

If that's the case, can you do a quick-and-dirty test case to see how many pages you can reasonably do in an hour? Then you have a rough time estimate for the layout part of it.

$30 an hour is the lowest I go, and that's for the nuns whose newsletter I do, since they run the high school I attended. It's a combination "friend"/okay-I-won't-grift-nuns rate.

Pricing for editing is a hard call. You *could* fold the editing into the overall rate. Say, $40/hr, design and editing inclusive, depending on how much editing the thing needs.

I have a hard time with quoting freelance rates, too.

I don't know how many of these links are still active, but here's a site with some resources on how to price your freelance work: [link]

Here's another article (from 2000) about how to charge: [link]

Here's a page from 2007 with sample rates from around the country for design, desktop publishing (it annoys me that these 2 are separate, but whatever), and web design: [link]

t edit Seattle Writer Grrls have an excellent resource page: [link]


Shir - May 26, 2008 8:35:39 am PDT #9000 of 10001
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".

Oh, Shir, if you want to post red dress options I'm sure people will help you out. I LOVE vicarious online shopping!

The problem is that what I want doesn't necessarily mean it will look good on me, and that I'll get it from a real world store, not online one.

But hey, that doesn't mean we can't play "fantasy dress", for I'd love to see some of your suggestions! What I have in mind now is a foldy (is that a word?), knee-height with wide straps (or just short sleeves), and a good cleavage. With heels it should be perfect for weddings, with boots for rock shows. I have no idea if such a dress will look good on me, but that's the fantasy.


lisah - May 26, 2008 8:47:47 am PDT #9001 of 10001
Punishingly Intricate

But hey, that doesn't mean we can't play "fantasy dress", for I'd love to see some of your suggestions! What I have in mind now is a foldy (is that a word?),

I'm not sure what you mean by foldy. Do you mean pleats? Like on the skirt of this dress?

[link]


Shir - May 26, 2008 8:57:03 am PDT #9002 of 10001
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".

Also, regarding real online cloth shopping, I'm looking for this shirt for a friend of mine as a birthday present.

Any ideas? I'm sure it's not the only site that offers this design.

I'm tired, more than I thought I'll be by this time. Probably won't be cooking tonight, call it an early night, snuggle with a book and stop researching for the center I volunteer for. Looking at the monitor for so long hurts my eyes.