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Natter 58: Let's call Venezuela!  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Jesse - May 08, 2008 8:56:27 am PDT #5609 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

What asscakes they are.

Seriously.


brenda m - May 08, 2008 8:58:17 am PDT #5610 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

One more thing on the Clinton thing - her language made it so much worse, but I do strongly object to what I think she was trying to do. Her line is that this white working class group supports her and that that support is growing - okay. But what I think she's trying to do there is put fear in the minds of Democrats everywhere that if you put a black man up there the working class whites are going to fuck you. It's not race baiting, exactly, and it's really more offensive to the working class whites she's talking about when you get right down to it. But it's meant to play on our suspicions of each other, to convince us that the notion of a society - and a politics - that tries to change for the better is some kind of dangerous illusion. And it's this kind of insidious argument that has me so impatient for her to drop the fuck out already.

(Which, I noticed at lunch, is actually the full-page headline of the Sun Times today. Cleaned up a little, anyway.) [link]


Glamcookie - May 08, 2008 9:00:42 am PDT #5611 of 10001
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

I'm trying to convince my SiL to send my smarty pants niece to pre-school (she's 3 and super smart). Can anyone point me to literature to send her way extolling the virtues of pre-school?


Steph L. - May 08, 2008 9:01:41 am PDT #5612 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

But does this sound as bad others as it does to me?

Yes, it does. And for the first time in this campaign, I'm sorry that I voted for her in the primary.

As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article "that found how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again,

So his support is now among the lazy, shiftless, black welfare queens?

I don't believe for a second that she misspoke, just as I don't believe that Obama misspoke back when he made that sexist "periodically when she's feeling down" comment about her.

It's just that....damn, Hillary's comment sounds so much worse than Obama's did, because his comment was only about her, and Hillary's comment is about a vast swath of Americans.

I wouldn't be surprised if this is what ends her campaign.


Steph L. - May 08, 2008 9:03:37 am PDT #5613 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

But what I think she's trying to do there is put fear in the minds of Democrats everywhere that if you put a black man up there the working class whites are going to fuck you. It's not race baiting, exactly

No, I'd call it exactly race-baiting.


Frankenbuddha - May 08, 2008 9:08:39 am PDT #5614 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

No, I'd call it exactly race-baiting.

Or more precisely, race-baiting AND class-baiting in two different directions. Two offenses for the price of one.


Gudanov - May 08, 2008 9:17:50 am PDT #5615 of 10001
Coding and Sleeping

I don't see how it isn't over for Clinton, she'd have to pretty much have a really big win in every primary left and that's not going to happen. It's about time for Obama running mate speculation.


Typo Boy - May 08, 2008 9:37:09 am PDT #5616 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Problem is, she can still hurt Obama in the general if she keeps this sort of stuff up.


Pix - May 08, 2008 9:42:17 am PDT #5617 of 10001
The status is NOT quo.

Yes, it does. And for the first time in this campaign, I'm sorry that I voted for her in the primary.
This, exactly. I've been more and more disappointed with the tone of her campaign over the last two months, but this is the capper.

ETA: ita, I love the map! Thanks!


Gudanov - May 08, 2008 9:47:36 am PDT #5618 of 10001
Coding and Sleeping

I'm really hoping she'll drop out. It's over, the only way to win is to take it to the convention and somehow get a bunch of superdelegates to go her way. It's not going to happen, and if it did, it would be devastating to the democrats. OTOH, maybe that's the way it will go down, the democrats are awfully good at shooting themselves in the foot.