Very convincing. Makes me completely want to put myself under government control. Please take me to where you can make me unconscious and naked.

Riley ,'Help'


Natter 58: Let's call Venezuela!  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Dana - May 06, 2008 4:47:02 am PDT #5071 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

t cries

Luckily, my coworker came in and gave me a dollar. NO THANKS TO YOU PEOPLE.


aurelia - May 06, 2008 4:49:01 am PDT #5072 of 10001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

Uh, huh. What story will you tell next time?


Dana - May 06, 2008 4:50:34 am PDT #5073 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

You'll all be sorry when I die of caffeine deprivation.


CaBil - May 06, 2008 4:55:56 am PDT #5074 of 10001
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.

littoral

That's one of the US Navy's big fears. No one has a deepwater Navy that can touch ours. We have half of the world's aircraft carrier and ours are the biggest. We have the largest nuclear submarine fleet. The best anyone can hope for is local superiority in an area for however long until the US can send enough Carrier Battle Groups into an area. That being said, those are deep water ships. Get too close to the shore, the advantages start disappearing. Carriers are big targets, especially since they are basically just big tankers of aircraft jet fuel, with current estimates having one being able to take 3-4 missile hits before going up in a fireball. In the ocean, you can spot a missile platform (a ship, a sub, a plane) from a distance off and hopefully kill it before it launches. Especially since they will need a lot of platforms launching a lot of missile to get past missile defence. But when you get close to shore, finding the launch platforms becomes incredibly difficult. Do you blow up every pickup truck within two hundreds of the shoreline to make sure none of them are packing? Plus, in shallow waters near shore it becomes very easy to spot submaries, and you can't zap the sonar platforms (helicopters, ships) because close to shore, they can just run cables to get the data.

So the submarine warfare and the carrier group factions of the US Navy (that have been getting the lion's share of the budget since the 60s) have decided that someone else needs to take the risks, and are pushing for the surface ship faction to get some new toys. The surface ship guys, on the other hand, are just glad to actually have their own section of the budget again.

Close to shore is the equivalent of an urban environment for the Army. Perfect for the naval equivalent of guerrilla warfare.

One theory I've read about says that in the future, any surface ship anywhere can be located by satellite and immediately targeted by long-range missile. According to that view, the only warships will be submarines.

Actually, they are working on that. The US Navy and Darpa are working on a type of laser sensor that will be mounted on satellites, to detect the slight bump in the ocean that is caused when something displaces water underneath it, like a sub. Or a whale. Which is why they are still working on it, since it is embarrassing to depth charge whales...

The problem is that sending stuff into orbit still costs too much. Building a satellite that can spot a ship isn't that difficult in the scheme of things. Getting it into orbit is hideously difficult, especially if you are someone that most of the civilized world doesn't like, and you have to be willing to let someone else handle your satellite before launch, and the worry that they mess with it. That was one of the worries during the beginning of the 2nd Gulf War, that Iraq would find somebody to sell them satellite photos of US troop movements, and supposedly there was a lot of behind the scene threats to make sure the Russians, Chinese and French private companies (the most likely sellers) to honor the embargo...

Which is also why they are working on stealth ships, but at the moment the big problem is IR, ships show up as a hot spots on the ocean's surface, especially outside the tropics, and for the moment it appears there isn't much a solution for it...


sarameg - May 06, 2008 4:56:28 am PDT #5075 of 10001

I had a childhood cat who ADORED messing with dogs. There was a nighborhood lab he'd taunt into chasing him around a tree, and then turn the tables so the dog was running in circles trying to flee the murderous cat to the point of exhaustion. (Dog wasn't the brightest bulb.) The dog would finally give up and sit there whining while Sky sang his war cry and continued to scare the crap out of the poor canine.

We tried to break it up as much as possible out of pity for the dog, but between the dimness of that poor dog and the determination of that cat.... Well, they got the hose turned on them more than once.

I have no idea why the dog never once just went home and got away from the cat.


tommyrot - May 06, 2008 5:07:39 am PDT #5076 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Huh - very interesting, CaBil. What do you think of the idea that US carrier battle groups are actually much more vulnerable to submarine attack than the Navy admits? (I think it was a year ago when a Chinese submarine snuck into the middle of a US carrier battle group and then surfaced. Big embarrassment for the US Navy.)

ION, Tired of paying through the nose, Americans try praying at the pump

"Lord, come down in a mighty way and strengthen us so that we can bring down these high gas prices," Twyman said to a chorus of "amens".

"Prayer is the answer to every problem in life... We call on God to intervene in the lives of the selfish, greedy people who are keeping these prices high," Twyman said on the gas station forecourt in a neighborhood of Washington that, like many of its residents, has seen better days.

"Lord, the prices at this pump have gone up since last week. We know that you are able, that you have all the power in the world," he prayed, before former beauty queen Rashida Jolley led the group in a modified version of the spiritual, "We Shall Overcome".

"We'll have lower gas prices, we'll have lower gas prices..." they sang.

Maybe God can stick some more oil in the ground when we're not looking....


Ginger - May 06, 2008 5:12:40 am PDT #5077 of 10001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

I have never found labs to be anywhere near the brightest bulbs in dogdom. Labs' mental processes mainly consist of: "Can I chase that? Chase! Food! I love you, I love you." A big yellow cat drove the dog mad last week by sauntering down the driveway, taking about 10 minutes to go 15 feet.

NO THANKS TO YOU PEOPLE.

I can rarely get coke machines to accept my dollars in person, Dana, much less after it's been squashed through the internets.


Nutty - May 06, 2008 5:16:08 am PDT #5078 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

"We'll have lower gas prices, we'll have lower gas prices..." they sang.

Pete Seeger just threw up in his mouth a little.


Jesse - May 06, 2008 5:23:13 am PDT #5079 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I totally hit the ground running this morning, but now I need a nap....


Daisy Jane - May 06, 2008 5:38:11 am PDT #5080 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

I'm not really sure this belongs in Press or whatever, but work is sponsoring a couple of teams in the American Cancer Society's Relay for Life.

Anyway, I know we've had a bunch of "Cancer sucks!" around here-too much, in fact too much. Part of what we're doing is lighting a luminaria for people we have lost or who have been touched by cancer. I haven't lost anyone to that particular disease, but I know some of us have.

I'm donating $40-that's 8 luminaria. If anyone would like me to light it in honor of their loved ones, e me and I'll put their name down.