I want to torture you. I used to love it, and it's been a long time. I mean, the last time I tortured someone, they didn't even have chainsaws.

Angel ,'Chosen'


Natter 58: Let's call Venezuela!  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Allyson - Apr 22, 2008 9:08:10 pm PDT #3107 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Yes! And someone will "look at it" tomorrow. I'm looking at it right now. Looking at it doesn't seem to fix it.


Typo Boy - Apr 22, 2008 9:20:37 pm PDT #3108 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I wonder if the carbon footprint of the world series and NASCAR are really that different. The biggest part of the footprint would be the fans driving to get there. Is it that different? Do NASCAR fans drive longer distances in bigger cars? Because if not, the 43 cars (do I remember the number right) are minor compared to the cars driven by the tens and hundreds of thousands in the stadium or at the track.


Cass - Apr 22, 2008 9:29:44 pm PDT #3109 of 10001
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

the 43 cars
Gold star. Wait, I'm sorry. That should be the Cheerios Dodge star. (Yes, I had to look up a damn team that ran a yellow-ish livery. I am Buffista, I am pedantic.)

I *think* baseball has a bigger overall turnout in season and Nascar tops on per event turnout. But I kinda zone when they talk about it, so I am not certain.

The cars, whether in Nascar or Indy, are awful from an environmental standpoint but I am certain that they leave a much bigger carbon footprint just transporting people and equipment throughout a season. The freight is ... boggling, really.


Kristen - Apr 22, 2008 9:29:47 pm PDT #3110 of 10001

Do NASCAR fans drive longer distances in bigger cars?

Many of them do drive great distances in RVs and camp out before the race.

ETA: Oh yeah and the freight. You don't just bring one car to the race. There are many trucks and trailers and buses for each team.


Cass - Apr 22, 2008 9:31:16 pm PDT #3111 of 10001
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

Weeks at Daytona!

And, generally, at least four days for your average race weekend.

ETA: Oh yeah and the freight. You don't just bring one car to the race. There are many trucks and trailers and buses for each team.
Craziness! At least two cars and parts to make another two for each entry. It's boggling.

Those haulers are really nice though.


Cass - Apr 22, 2008 9:32:50 pm PDT #3112 of 10001
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

I snark teal and get caught up talking racing. I kinda dig Buffistas.


Kristen - Apr 22, 2008 9:33:23 pm PDT #3113 of 10001

They did an interview last year with the dude who drove Junior's car around the country. He was a sweetie.


Cass - Apr 22, 2008 9:48:30 pm PDT #3114 of 10001
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

Most of the people I've met or known around racing have been really the nicest people.

Plus? Parking those rigs all parked with less than an inch between? Impressive. Phenomenal cosmic hauler, itty-bitty parking space.


Sue - Apr 23, 2008 2:57:15 am PDT #3115 of 10001
hip deep in pie

NASCAR related: Have you guys seen this chocolate bar? And am I the only one that giggles at its name?

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Theodosia - Apr 23, 2008 3:18:22 am PDT #3116 of 10001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

The issue about words for colors is so much bullshit, IMHO -- there are millions of shades of colors that humans can see, and we don't have words for them all -- hence when you get into web or digital or print design, you start using RGB values.

The more important question to ask about languages and color words is whether the culture thinks the differentiation is necessary between two colors.