Wesley: Perhaps the whole point of this experiment is hair. Gunn: I vote he's not in charge.

'The Cautionary Tale of Numero Cinco'


Natter 58: Let's call Venezuela!  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Kathy A - Apr 17, 2008 6:58:34 am PDT #2351 of 10001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

Getting caught up--a mini-meara is in order!

My mom's boss is on my tv. Huh.

While Mom and I were watching the Philadelphia news last week, one of the many political ads came on. This one was for Obama, and had a bunch of his former IL legislative cohorts endorsing him. A former state senator named Larry Walsh came on, and Mom said, "Wow, I didn't know my cousin was schilling for Obama now." I said, "I didn't know your cousin was a former state senator!!"

Actually, Switzerland was particularly interesting, because they had a system just like ours until 1994, and then voted in a referendum to change it to a mandated-insurance system (IIRC) with no profits for basic services. Of course, it just barely passed--but now it has broad support and even the right-wing types like it.

I saw this Frontline (highly recommend watching it if you missed it--you can see it on the PBS website), and the reporter pointed out that, while Switzerland did have a similar system to ours up to 1994, their insurance companies were mostly nonprofit even before mandated insurance, so they didn't fight it the way ours will if we have a similar vote.

You have independent medical providers competing against each other for your health care dollars providing incentives for both quality of care and reduced costs.

I found this point interesting in the segment. Apparently, even though the providers and insurance companies aren't competing for profits, they are competing for clients/patients anyway, so they continue providing good customer service and benefits to draw more people in.

Also, there are several studies that indicate that as much as 25% of the health-care dollar is spent trying to *not* pay for treatment.

The highest administrative costs of the five countries profiled was, I believe, Switzerland, at 16 percent, compared to the US's 25%.


Consuela - Apr 17, 2008 7:03:50 am PDT #2352 of 10001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

The highest administrative costs of the five countries profiled was, I believe, Switzerland, at 16 percent, compared to the US's 25%.

Oh, right. And the percentage of GDP was significantly lower everywhere else as well. The US spends 16% of GDP on health care, and I think the second-highest was like 8%? I forget exactly, but it was lower.


sarameg - Apr 17, 2008 7:05:22 am PDT #2353 of 10001

I'm especially impressed that the address was in a whole different state.

Nearest post office! Their address is now in Minnesota, on RR 1. (Though I think they can still use the Ward one. Small towns, and all that.)


Lee - Apr 17, 2008 7:05:37 am PDT #2354 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

Sorry for the morning suckfests, Steph and Daisy Jane.


tommyrot - Apr 17, 2008 7:07:07 am PDT #2355 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

The highest administrative costs of the five countries profiled was, I believe, Switzerland, at 16 percent, compared to the US's 25%.

And yet, conservatives still continue to blather on about the inefficiency of one big government institution administrating health care. Well maybe there are some inefficiencies, but it's still a hell of a lot more efficient than thousands of insurance companies administrating health care....


Daisy Jane - Apr 17, 2008 7:07:37 am PDT #2356 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

I've heard the candidates (Dem) referencing the number of uninsured many times, but to me, that number of people bankrupted is just as if not more compelling - that should be drilled.

Particularly because while medical collections are not supposed to negatively affect your credit (still on your report, but not supposed to count against you), it often still does. Doubly shitty since a lot of those go into collections while the insurance company is fighting having to pay it.


Emily - Apr 17, 2008 7:09:08 am PDT #2357 of 10001
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

I kinda feel like a freak. I grew up in Kansas and have always been a city boy. My parents were city folk. My grandparents were city folk. Pretty much no farm heritage at all.

Well, my grandfather had a hobby farm, but he sold insurance for a living.

Oh wait, he majored in agriculture. I guess I am slightly less citified than Gud. Though you wouldn't know it by meeting me! I'm all, "So, do you bring the cows inside in the winter? Or what? Wow, how many colors of horses are there? Like, four? Oh. 37, you say. Huh."


Jesse - Apr 17, 2008 7:09:53 am PDT #2358 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I kinda feel like a freak. I grew up in Kansas and have always been a city boy. My parents were city folk. My grandparents were city folk. Pretty much no farm heritage at all.

I have no farm heritage, either, that I know of. Definitely not in my grandparents' generation.


Gudanov - Apr 17, 2008 7:11:13 am PDT #2359 of 10001
Coding and Sleeping

Yeah, I'm farm clueless too. I have driven a full size tractor though, albeit not on a farm.


Kat - Apr 17, 2008 7:13:58 am PDT #2360 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

I think the USPS eventually got around to using a roadname and number.

sara, this is true of my dad's small town. My aunt was on the township board so when it came time to giving roadnames, she used her family's names!