Sometimes I miss having powers... Oh. Oh! I know what this is! This is peer pressure! Any second now you're gonna make me smoke tobacco and--and have drugs!

Anya ,'Showtime'


Natter 58: Let's call Venezuela!  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Nora Deirdre - Apr 17, 2008 6:25:29 am PDT #2325 of 10001
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

Obviously if he knew it was going to be on the news he would have phrased it better (or not said it at all), but yeesh. Not a shining moment for someone who's best known as a great orator.

I saw a clip of the speech in question, and maybe I saw a part that wasn't as poorly put, but... I thought it came across as thoughtful and sympathetic. Of course, it was while nursing my first cup of coffee so there's that. I think the spin made it sound a lot worse than what he actually said, let alone the tone that he said it in.

Ah well, tomato, tomahto.


Jessica - Apr 17, 2008 6:26:26 am PDT #2326 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

To me, the word "cling" in that context is pretty damn condescending, and colors the entire rest of the statement. Not to the extent that Faux News is spinning it, but it does fall under the "NOT HELPING" category of Things I Wish People On My Side Would Not Say/Do.


Emily - Apr 17, 2008 6:27:45 am PDT #2327 of 10001
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

Jessica, I should clarify that by "Really?" I mean to say, "Huh! It enlarges my view to see that you think it was received that way, I will be keeping that in mind," and not, "What are you, crazy? That's just dumb!"

ETA: Okay, yeah, I see that. "Cling" is not a flattering verb to have used.


Jesse - Apr 17, 2008 6:28:42 am PDT #2328 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I think there's a lot of offense possible just in grouping going to church/buying a gun/hating the Other as things peope do when they've been screwed over.


sarameg - Apr 17, 2008 6:32:44 am PDT #2329 of 10001

things people do when they've been screwed over.

I read trashy novels and have stupid conversations with the cats.


Emily - Apr 17, 2008 6:35:08 am PDT #2330 of 10001
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

I myself turn to the Internet and resentment of neoconservatives.


Gudanov - Apr 17, 2008 6:36:54 am PDT #2331 of 10001
Coding and Sleeping

I think there's a lot of offense possible just in grouping going to church/buying a gun/hating the Other as things peope do when they've been screwed over.

Yeah, but I don't think that's what he meant. I think he meant those have become the political issues of interest because they've given up on economic issues rather than that people start going to church or buy guns because of it.


Jesse - Apr 17, 2008 6:37:07 am PDT #2332 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

All good options!

I haven't done any work yet today, other than some neatening and coordinating. It feels awesome, I have to say!


Cashmere - Apr 17, 2008 6:38:53 am PDT #2333 of 10001
Now tagless for your comfort.

Wisconsin is pretty wild. About a third of my high school graduating class ended up dying from attacks by cougars or the Wisconsin Fresh-water Shark....

We have wolves. Which they are going to start killing again.


Jessica - Apr 17, 2008 6:39:06 am PDT #2334 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Jessica, I should clarify that by "Really?" I mean to say, "Huh! It enlarges my view to see that you think it was received that way, I will be keeping that in mind," and not, "What are you, crazy? That's just dumb!"

Oh no worries, I was just trying to be more specific in what exactly was pinging my cringe response. No offense taken!