Nothin'. I just wanted you to face me so she could get behind ya.

Mal ,'The Train Job'


Natter 58: Let's call Venezuela!  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Dana - Apr 16, 2008 7:35:18 am PDT #2104 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Superman is Batman's boyfriend.

Clark Kent is Lex's boyfriend.

Usually not at the same time.


CaBil - Apr 16, 2008 7:37:17 am PDT #2105 of 10001
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.

Yep, Black Summer a bit more on the epic ultra-violence while Sellouts was more cosmic, I think...


Gudanov - Apr 16, 2008 7:39:10 am PDT #2106 of 10001
Coding and Sleeping

Bush To Pope Benedict: "Thank You, Your Holiness. Awesome Speech"

Is that a confederate battle flag behind the Pope?


tommyrot - Apr 16, 2008 7:40:26 am PDT #2107 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Is that a confederate battle flag behind the Pope?

The Pope is trying to appeal to NASCAR dads?

Now I wanna see the Catholic Church sponsor a NASCAR car....


Strega - Apr 16, 2008 7:42:34 am PDT #2108 of 10001

OK, best parodic superhero/supervillian?

I'd probably put The Tick before Venture Bros. There's also Ennis's The Pro, Moore's The First American, & Veitch's Bratpack.


Susan W. - Apr 16, 2008 7:43:18 am PDT #2109 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Is that a confederate battle flag behind the Pope?

I think it's the Mississippi state flag: [link]


shrift - Apr 16, 2008 7:43:50 am PDT #2110 of 10001
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

Don't you mean Lex's boyfriend? Honestly, shrift, one would think you'd never heard the term "cocksickle"!

It depends on which incarnation of Superman we're talking about! Sometimes he's Lex's boyfriend, sometimes Batman's. Occasionally he belongs to Lois or Nightwing!


Miracleman - Apr 16, 2008 7:45:36 am PDT #2111 of 10001
No, I don't think I will - me, quoting Captain Steve Rogers, to all of 2020

Miracleman, I guess I haven't been exposed to enough Captain Marvel, so can you expound upon why he makes your list? (I'm not challenging his inclusion; I just don't know enough about him.)

Because he's awesome.

Okay, that's the overly simplistic answer.

Part of it is his history...back in the day, Fawcett Comics jumped on the "Yea, super-dudes in tights!" bandwagon and C.C. Beck and Bill Parker came up with Captain Marvel "The World's Mightiest Mortal." He was fun...he was all superpowered and could fly and stuff like that AND there was humor and whimsy in his stories. He was so fun in fact that he rapidly outsold DC Comics Numero Uno, the Man of Steel Hisself.

So, natch, DC tossed a big ol' lawsuit Fawcett's way alleging copyright infringement. Massive legal battle, blah blah and Fawcett was forced to go under.

So, right there, you got the guy who kicked holy hell out of ol' Supes just by existing. And that's fun.

He's a great kids' power fantasy. Batman...a rich adult who became what he is because his folks were killed. Not a blast for a kid to contemplate. Superman...a super-powered alien from another planet.

Captain Marvel was a kid who became a superhero by saying a magic word...but, at heart, he was a kid. And then he got his friend and his sister in on the act. How awesome would that be? Being a kid and getting your pals together to turn super and kick some evil scientist ass!

There's the whole (largely bullshit) mythology connections. The Wisdom of Solomon, the Strength of Hercules, the Stamina of Atlas, the Power of Zeus, the Courage (read: Invulnerability) of Achilles, the Speed of Mercury...the ultimate synthesis of mythic and legendary heroic archetypes.

There's the lightning! Captain Marvel made lightning cool! Lightning is usually a scary thing that can kill you and black out your house. NOW it can give you superpowers! (Yes, as a kid I would run outside during lightning storms shouting "SHAZAM!" and hoping. Stupid, I know, but statistically less likely to kill you than tying a red towel around your neck and tossing yourself off a house hoping you will fly.)

And he was just...friendly. Batman was grim, Superman was stern...Captain Marvel was always smiling! He always seemed to be having such a BLAST just bein' a superhero! Which, I tell you, is something I really dug.

I mean, don't you think you'd have FUN flying around and doing superheroic stuff? I sure as hell would. I'd probably end up being not as effective as Supes just because I'd be stopping in the middle of an alien invasion to say shit like "Isn't this fucking GREAT?! DUDE! This is so frickin' AWESOME! Hey, when we're done with this, let's go find Lex Luthor and egg his house from SPACE! Huh? Wouldn't that be the BOMB? Watch me knock this mothership into the sun...no, watch, this is gonna be hella cool!"

Hell, that's a large part of Spidey's appeal...he's funny! He's having fun! And so is Captain Marvel, even if he's not generally as witty as ol' Webhead.

So I have great fondness in my heart for the Big Red Cheese.


Miracleman - Apr 16, 2008 7:47:48 am PDT #2112 of 10001
No, I don't think I will - me, quoting Captain Steve Rogers, to all of 2020

Yep, Black Summer a bit more on the epic ultra-violence while Sellouts was more cosmic, I think...

Haven't read Black Summer, but Sellouts...dude, Supershock burned down the Vatican and laid waste to the Gaza Strip.

Pretty ultra-violent.

(Not, you know...Miracleman #15 Johnny Bates personally wastes half of London one person at a time ultra-violent, but...)


§ ita § - Apr 16, 2008 7:51:27 am PDT #2113 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Captain America? Having fun? I never got that vibe off him. He's a little wonderbread for me.

When listing parodic heroes, don't forget Lobo.

My awesomest heroes include Storm (although I've gone off her since the OOC Black Panther thing), Martha Washington, Wolverine, Longshot (there's a man who didn't know how to not have fun), Batman, and Batgirl (the Cassandra Cain pre-evil incarnation).