Saffron: But we've been wed. Aren't we to become one flesh? Mal: Well, no, uh... We're still two fleshes here, and I think that your flesh ought to sleep somewhere else.

'Our Mrs. Reynolds'


Natter 58: Let's call Venezuela!  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Trudy Booth - Apr 14, 2008 10:40:18 pm PDT #1806 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Toting a clandestine canine!

shhhhhh


tommyrot - Apr 15, 2008 2:26:13 am PDT #1807 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Aww fuck.

Cops kill cougar on North Side

Couldn't they have tranqued it? Anyway, the cougar was in Chicago, 2.4 miles from my apartment....


Shir - Apr 15, 2008 3:12:32 am PDT #1808 of 10001
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".

So. Tired.


Steph L. - Apr 15, 2008 3:19:55 am PDT #1809 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Cops kill cougar on North Side

See, when I first read this, I immediately thought, "Just because a 60-year-old-woman was hitting on a 25-year-old is no reason to kill her!'


Jessica - Apr 15, 2008 3:23:46 am PDT #1810 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I've taken Amtrak up and down the East coast (well, between DC and NYC) at least four or five times a year for the past five years, and only once been more than half an hour late.

Wow. I'd say you've been very lucky in that case, as my trains seem to routinely run about an hour late. (Hence my preference for driving - even if I wind up stuck on the Beltway for an hour, if I'm driving I at least feel some sense of control over the situation.)

So it depends on what exactly is in the book, but it does seem like if she wins, it could dramatically change what is considered fair use.

The case is interesting to me personally because I have a friend who's just published the first of three HP trivia quiz books she's written (IIRC the second and third are coming out this summer), and if the case goes badly for the Lexicon people, she (among many many others) could be next.


Frankenbuddha - Apr 15, 2008 3:35:41 am PDT #1811 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Couldn't they have tranqued it? Anyway, the cougar was in Chicago, 2.4 miles from my apartment....

Or, you know, set it up on a squash court with Nutty so at least it has the fighting chance a cheetah would.


Sparky1 - Apr 15, 2008 3:40:11 am PDT #1812 of 10001
Librarian Warlord

JKR first has to establish that the Lexicon is "substantially similar" to the HP books -- this may be difficult for her to do unless everything is a direct quotation from those book. Only then does the court consider whether or not the material used comes under the fair use doctrine.

Although I haven't read the briefs in the case, only the news accounts, she seems to be saying that no one can publish a derivative work without her permission -- and that's simply not true. Fair Use allows someone to create a new work based on her work, and even to quote directly from it when doing so.


Jessica - Apr 15, 2008 3:43:11 am PDT #1813 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

The issue from JKR's personal point of view seems to be that she loves her characters very much and it hurts her feelings when other people try to write about them. Which to me doesn't sound like an airtight legal case.

(And yes, I'm sure it's more complicated than that once you get beyond the sound bites, but I really don't think she's doing herself any favors by whining to the press right now.)


brenda m - Apr 15, 2008 3:48:50 am PDT #1814 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

this may be difficult for her to do unless everything is a direct quotation from those book.

My understanding - and it's been a little while since I was following this - is that this is substantially the case.

In fact, I bellieve that the original intent was to include a bunch of original writing that had been posted to the website, and when those writers balked at being used without permission, it got stripped down to virtually only the quoted material.


Sparky1 - Apr 15, 2008 4:03:30 am PDT #1815 of 10001
Librarian Warlord

My understanding - and it's been a little while since I was following this - is that this is substantially the case.

Even so, courts have recognized substantial re-organization of material as creating a new (reference) work. Theoretically, even if every word was quoted material that still doesn't mean that it's not fair use.