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Nutty - Apr 03, 2008 4:15:05 pm PDT #9391 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

It's true in LA that you have to pull as far into the intersection as possible to take the left just as the light turns yellow (and sometimes red), because no one will let you go, ever.

In Boston, this is grounds for an Early Green Left, i.e., as soon as the light turns green (in the absence of a specific left-turn arrow), if you are the first car in line, take your left before the guy coming straight the other way has the opportunity to get in your way.

It's flagrantly illegal and, in some places, absolutely necessary. 2-3 cars will do it at a time, at every green in that intersection, and for years before the city managers get around to installing a light with a left-turn arrow.


brenda m - Apr 03, 2008 4:30:01 pm PDT #9392 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

But if they had only pulled forward that couple car lengths they would have made the turn? That's what I'm having trouble with.

Huh? They kind of have to, because otherwise they're blocking the intersection and the traffic from the other direction.


Daisy Jane - Apr 03, 2008 4:33:11 pm PDT #9393 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

And you need to pull up as far as you can so that you can take the dude behind you with you.

I do this. And, when I do, I give a little glance in the rearview as if to say, "You and me buddy. You and me."


DavidS - Apr 03, 2008 4:42:05 pm PDT #9394 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I don't know how else to describe it bon, except to say that the intersections out here are designed so that there's an indeterminate space in the middle of the intersection that allows traffic behind to go around you (if it's one lane and they're not turning) but does not put you into the line of oncoming traffic.

It can be anxiety provoking if you're not used to it, but if you're simply sitting at the greenlight waiting for your chance to take a left turn, you're backing up traffic severely behind you for blocks. The flow of traffic depends on you getting up into the intersection - just not into the lane of oncoming traffic.


Susan W. - Apr 03, 2008 4:47:39 pm PDT #9395 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

My driver's ed teacher taught us to do left turns as Hec describes. Sometimes I still hear Coach Dickinson saying, "Creep to the point of no return" as I edge out into the neutral zone.


sarameg - Apr 03, 2008 4:54:15 pm PDT #9396 of 10001

Hey, when I was 15 and 3 days into my license, I hit a bicyclist making a left turn! Considering my dad had been creamed not a few weeks earlier on his bike (landed on his head, skidded 6 feet on his face, meatburger face, plastic surgery, broken hand, ultimately a rebreak of his broken hand,) I'm still cautious about left turns. To the point of multiple right turns, though I'm not quite that freaked anymore.

The policeman who arrived at the scene was Officer Heart. I recall fixating on that.


Steph L. - Apr 03, 2008 4:54:37 pm PDT #9397 of 10001
the hardest to learn / was the least complicated

It's true in LA that you have to pull as far into the intersection as possible to take the left just as the light turns yellow (and sometimes red), because no one will let you go, ever. And you need to pull up as far as you can so that you can take the dude behind you with you.

This is my standard method of turning left. It unnerves The Boy, but if I don't do it, I can end up sitting at a goddamn red light for long enough to read a book.


§ ita § - Apr 03, 2008 5:16:36 pm PDT #9398 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

As much as Hec is wrong about absolutely everything else, for the left turn, you have to do that here, or you'll very rarely get anywhere. You haven't started the left bit of your turn, but you've done all the forward possible without it. That means at least two cars per light, on average, get to go, with the timing of the orange.

Dinner is popcorn tonight. I finally got off my arse and bought a popcorn maker. Sadly bacon salt is verboten--it has wheat.

I'm watching a show called This Food That Wine and it's the porniest food show I think I've seen. The camera spends time on fingertips, lips, and shoots upwards from below glass bowls. And women keep laughing warmly together, swirling wine around their glasses and stressing words like "gooey."


bon bon - Apr 03, 2008 5:18:11 pm PDT #9399 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

All right, I give. You are all right! I am underestimating the amount of time it takes to get from the c/w to the center of the intersection.


beth b - Apr 03, 2008 5:19:46 pm PDT #9400 of 10001
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

Most of the lights are timed so you can do that around here. And I am a timid driver, and I can do it. Happily there are less of them down here than then there are in sf or oakland