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Kathy A - Mar 20, 2008 10:00:44 am PDT #6229 of 10001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

I spent most of 2003-2004 listening to friends and relatives telling me I should buy. Why rent when mortgages are so easy to get? But, my credit rating was crap, I had no savings at all for a down payment or a housing emergency, and I didn't want to lock myself into buying when my working situation could change at any time.

I'm so glad I didn't listen, otherwise, I might be living in one of those tent cities I saw on BBC America news.

Susan, just from what I've been reading on various economic/housing blogs, I'd hold off on buying for at least a year, and then see what the market is doing in Seattle. The foreclosures are just starting to happen now--many of the ARM mortgages haven't even reset yet. When they do, the foreclosure rate is going to skyrocket even more than it is already.


tommyrot - Mar 20, 2008 10:01:11 am PDT #6230 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Bah. There's too much stuff to look at as I try to find articles I've read over the last month or so....

FBI probes Countrywide for possible fraud

...

Though the Federal Bureau of Investigation has acknowledged ongoing investigations related to the subprime debacle, neither the FBI nor the Justice Department would comment on the specific targets.

"The FBI has been investigating potential fraud in the mortgage/sub-prime lending industry, however, we can not confirm or deny which companies are under investigation," said FBI spokesman Richard Kolko.

A law enforcement official told CNN that there are currently 16 companies being investigated.

It'll probably be a while before these investigations result in convictions, if any....


Aims - Mar 20, 2008 10:03:11 am PDT #6231 of 10001
Shit's all sorts of different now.

Susan, just from what I've been reading on various economic/housing blogs, I'd hold off on buying for at least a year, and then see what the market is doing in Seattle. The foreclosures are just starting to happen now--many of the ARM mortgages haven't even reset yet. When they do, the foreclosure rate is going to skyrocket even more than it is already.

Then again, it depends on where you live. In Michigan right now, my boss is picking up forclosed apartment homes that were purchased or refinanced two years ago between $200k and $350k. He's getting them now for no more than $72k.


Nora Deirdre - Mar 20, 2008 10:04:18 am PDT #6232 of 10001
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

oh, scrappy. much ma for you, your niece, and your family.


tommyrot - Mar 20, 2008 10:04:52 am PDT #6233 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

This is interesting....

Predatory Lenders' Partner in Crime

Several years ago, state attorneys general and others involved in consumer protection began to notice a marked increase in a range of predatory lending practices by mortgage lenders. Some were misrepresenting the terms of loans, making loans without regard to consumers' ability to repay, making loans with deceptive "teaser" rates that later ballooned astronomically, packing loans with undisclosed charges and fees, or even paying illegal kickbacks. These and other practices, we noticed, were having a devastating effect on home buyers. In addition, the widespread nature of these practices, if left unchecked, threatened our financial markets.

Even though predatory lending was becoming a national problem, the Bush administration looked the other way and did nothing to protect American homeowners. In fact, the government chose instead to align itself with the banks that were victimizing consumers.

Predatory lending was widely understood to present a looming national crisis. This threat was so clear that as New York attorney general, I joined with colleagues in the other 49 states in attempting to fill the void left by the federal government. Individually, and together, state attorneys general of both parties brought litigation or entered into settlements with many subprime lenders that were engaged in predatory lending practices. Several state legislatures, including New York's, enacted laws aimed at curbing such practices.

What did the Bush administration do in response? Did it reverse course and decide to take action to halt this burgeoning scourge? As Americans are now painfully aware, with hundreds of thousands of homeowners facing foreclosure and our markets reeling, the answer is a resounding no.

Not only did the Bush administration do nothing to protect consumers, it embarked on an aggressive and unprecedented campaign to prevent states from protecting their residents from the very problems to which the federal government was turning a blind eye.


Toddson - Mar 20, 2008 10:05:02 am PDT #6234 of 10001
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

I tend to be very conservative with my finances and I've had to be more so the past year or so. A couple of years ago I talked to a mortgage broker, one a friend had used to buy a place. I really wanted to buy my own place, I had a down payment, I'd been working on keeping my credit history clean. The guy tried to talk me into a no-down-payment ARM ... actually TWO ARMs, one for the down payment and one for the rest. I looked at the numbers and just said no. He ran the numbers on what I could afford on a fixed-rate mortgage ... which, in DC, worked out to either a broom closet in a nice place or a big place next to an open-air drug market. So ... I'm still renting. But I don't regret that I didn't buy into the whole thing.


Emily - Mar 20, 2008 10:06:20 am PDT #6235 of 10001
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

The flip-side of that is you have a thin grasp of economics and are easily convinced by an expert who spins or flat-out lies because they're taking no risk by giving you that mortgage.

Yup. Heck, I have no idea what I could afford, house-wise, or what would be a good idea for me to afford. Obviously I'd make an effort to find out if I wanted to buy one, but many people might not really have anyone to ask!


Jessica - Mar 20, 2008 10:09:59 am PDT #6236 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I have no idea how my mortgage broker managed to get us the rate she did on our fixed-rate mortgage, but I feel like I should send her a thank-you note. In retrospect, she was really amazingly helpful.


flea - Mar 20, 2008 10:11:27 am PDT #6237 of 10001
information libertarian

We are hoping to be looking to buy a house this summer, and from where I've looked (Durham NC and Athens GA) I can't see that housing prices have come down much if at all, yet. Not in the neighborhoods I want to live in, anyway - maybe in the newer pop-up suburban developments. There's a house for sale in my hood for $950K, which is, frankly, laughable. Unfortunately, where we are in our lives, it's not so practical to wait another year hoping prices will come down. I mean, if I move to a new city, I want to buy a damn house, not rent and wait and move again.


amych - Mar 20, 2008 10:14:32 am PDT #6238 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

My local impression is flea's impression -- just from gut-level walking around info, it seems like houses in our (adjacent) hoods are staying on the market a bit longer, but the prices haven't really changed much at all.