But it doesn't even affect existing users, does it? If you have a basic account now, you're fine. It's new accounts where free=ads.

I would agree with you under some circumstances, except I think the ability to create multiple or new accounts is an option that users value. At least I've considered closing my account (where I talk about work stuff, rather embarrassingly) and getting a new one. Now I feel like I have less liquidity of accounts, because I lose that free, non-ad account.

Yeah, if they'd made an announcement along the lines of "Look, this sucks, but we can't afford free accounts, and that's how the internet usually works, and sorry 'bout that", I wouldn't blink much. But trying to slip it in just makes me wary that next it's going to be changing all the old free accounts to ad ones. And jacking the paid price. And charging to see my old entries, or some shit. Destroys the trust, man.

I also think what Starbucks did today is interesting -- they just bought the Clover company, which makes fantastic coffee makers

I saw that, but figure if they're using the good machines with their burnt starbucks beans, it wouldn't make that big a difference--would it?

Destroys the trust, man.

I guess I didn't know there was any of that around.

But hiding policy changes from users isn't really a business decision so much as a decision that implies disinterest in the community.

It feels like a business decision to me, but it does seem to position users as consumers, not community members. Not that I care that much because for me LJ never felt like a community. B.org is my community, LJ is just a website.

I also think what Starbucks did today is interesting -- they just bought the Clover company, which makes fantastic coffee makers.

Oo, isn't that the company that makes the new amazing $10,000 coffee maker that bloggers insist is the best cup of coffee evah? Fascinating. I hope they don't do to the coffeemaker what they did to their coffee.

I saw that, but figure if they're using the good machines with their burnt starbucks beans, it wouldn't make that big a difference--would it?

Who knows. They are making some other changes to the kinds of beans they brew, maybe they will roast them better. It would be silly to still have shit coffee after making those changes, though.

I think the fear is, if they'll take away one service without warning, they'll take away another the same way. Wake up one morning, find your LJ shilling Ronco snoot-wranglers, whether you like it or not.

Sure. But will the boycott talk be taken more seriously at that time or less, having gone through such conniptions now?

I would agree with you under some circumstances, except I think the ability to create multiple or new accounts is an option that users value.

Yeah, I can see where that's an annoyance.

[Can't tell if that sounds snarky or not. Not, for the record.]

Well, I mean, I live in a community, but I pay rent for my apartment. They're providing housing, and it's pretty cheap. If the only people who make it a cool place to live are the free account peeps, who get pissed and move someplace else, LJ will become, um, Brentwood.

But is there evidence of that?

It feels like a business decision to me, but it does seem to position users as consumers, not community members. Not that I care that much because for me LJ never felt like a community. B.org is my community, LJ is just a website.

When I joined LJ, which to me is where the other half of my online community is, there were no ads, only a few hundred thousand users, and you had to have an invite code or pay to create an account.

When SixApart bought it, the message we, the community, were told was that there'd be no ads coming. (Not that anyone thought that would stay the case.) Really, it all went downhill from there.

As for this latest dust up, it's not really even about the ads; it's the continued failure to communicate.

But is there evidence of that?

I think the thought of *my* particular community is that as soon as there's a better option, there will be a migration away. The same thing happened when we moved from mailing lists to LJ. Slow, gradual adoption, and one day, the lists were a ghost town. The problem right now is that there aren't a lot of other options out there that aren't regressions from where we are now, or are likely to be stable for a long-term move. (Where long-term = 3-5 years.)

LJ will become, um, Brentwood.

Wouldn't MySpace or FaceBook be more logical comparisons?

That said, I'm not convinced your analogy works (is LJ providing me with something as substantive as housing?) Maybe it's more like a public park--like when the parks services started charging a nominal fee to use the parks/parking lots. At least that's how it feels to me. Was I a bit annoyed the first time I discovered I had to pay $8 or whatever to go to Will Rogers Park? Yeah, but I got over it.