Yikes! Ginger, be careful. Ask Mr. Peabody if there's room under the desk.
How was it modified, ita?
Fred: So you don't worry that it's possible for someone to send out a biological or electronic trigger that effectively overrides your own sense of ideals and values and replaces them with an alternative coercive agenda that reduces you to a mindless meat puppet? Shopkeeper: Wow. People used to think that I was paranoid.
'Time Bomb'
Natter 57 Varieties
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
Amy - Mar 14, 2008 6:33:06 pm PDT #5181 of 10001
Because books.
-t - Mar 14, 2008 6:52:01 pm PDT #5182 of 10001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
As Americans, does that freak you out? If so, why?
Actually, at first glance I didn't notice the difference - seeing what I expected to see and all that. It probably does contribute to my feeling that the government that flies that flag are not the good guys, but other than that, no visceral reaction.
§ ita § - Mar 14, 2008 6:52:11 pm PDT #5183 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
The stripes were vertical instead of horizontal, and there were fewer stars and in a circle.
I found it as creepy as fuck, but it's not my flag.
-t - Mar 14, 2008 6:54:17 pm PDT #5184 of 10001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
The stars in a circle maybe made it seem more normal to me, since there were official US flags that had that arrangement. And I didn't notice the vertical stripes until a character mentioned it. So maybe I am just not observant enough.
§ ita § - Mar 14, 2008 7:02:55 pm PDT #5185 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
The idea of a wounded and misshapen US flailing about and slashing all and sundry--well, Jamaica's just a whole lot of collateral damage waiting to be experienced.
Scary.
I could imagine that as an American it might be wrong, but it's...it's like your problem. Something you could fix, you know? Me, I'll just be over here and crouching in the corner.
aurelia - Mar 14, 2008 7:09:57 pm PDT #5186 of 10001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.
It was startling because it confirmed that the USA no longer exists in the world of that show. I didn't find it overly freaky though, just because the show has never had that strong of an impact on me. Too many details remind me of the fiction and not enough of the story keeps me sucked in for me to have a visceral reaction.
aurelia - Mar 14, 2008 7:17:25 pm PDT #5187 of 10001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.
Sometimes I want to watch The Day After again. That freaked me out when it aired. I wonder if it would have the same impact now.
sumi - Mar 14, 2008 7:17:53 pm PDT #5188 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!
Right.
There was a thing that happened at the beginning of the first episode of season 2: when they pulled down the actual USA flag and put up the new ASA flag which was actually worse.
The other thing was a "we're not in Kansas, anymore" kind of moment.
§ ita § - Mar 14, 2008 7:24:32 pm PDT #5189 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Aurelia, I think my response to America as superpower is visceral enough that it doesn't matter to me if the show owns me.
I can see that, sumi, especially from a citizen's point of view.
aurelia - Mar 14, 2008 7:48:00 pm PDT #5190 of 10001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.
Fair enough. I do think it was the most powerful moment since the kid watching the mushroom cloud. It got an audible "whoa" out of me.
On a lighter note, I like this one. [link]