Is Joss gone? I know Tim's been named executive producer, and someone mentioned showrunners leaving, but Joss wasn't showrunner on later Buffy or a lot of Angel, was he?

I'm thinking if Tim is showrunner, it's going to be much like previous Tim/Joss shows. However, I think where things ended up at the end of the season are WAY more interesting than where they started, and I also can't help but wonder if this is where Joss wanted it to be before Fox started "improving" on it.

I'm fairly sure that Joss is still there. I have no idea whether or not Tim's change in title translates to him being Dollhouse's showrunner.

Also, being a feminist isn't a contest.

Ding ding ding! Yes.

Or, as they say in the biz, show, don't tell.

Or as they say in the fandom, "If I didn't see it on screen it didn't happen."

I love Joss like I love chocolate and/or red wine (not usually together, because that way lies migraines), but I couldn't watch Dollhouse, because...well, no. Just no. It pains me, because I'm a completist, but just no.

Tim, what happened to that Preacher Man show you were pitching. Okay, that's way far from the right title or description, but you know what I mean. My long-buried fundamentalist is longing for it.

Joss:

“I think with this show, I want to say to the people who have, you know, felt a connection with me, that maybe you want to back away and avoid eye contact,” he said. “That maybe there’s something horribly wrong with me, and this is my very poetical way of expressing that. I think of it as a work that actually frightens me at times in a way that my shows seldom got to. At the same time I have that sort of jolly love of everything that’s going on and have to be reminded that what I’m doing is reprehensible. So it’s a mature work in the sense that I grew up and went insane.”

whoa

Discussion of those comments is probably better suited to Jossverse, no?

Perhaps, but since people were discussing Whedon's feminist cred here I thought it might be pertinent.

I'm not sure what that even *means*, not on a spiritual level, but on a sense making one. Am confused.

I love Joss like I love chocolate and/or red wine (not usually together, because that way lies migraines), but I couldn't watch Dollhouse, because...well, no. Just no. It pains me, because I'm a completist, but just no.

Don't really love red wine, but still, this is me. I tried, but I just can't do it. Maybe sometime, but not yet.

I don't really know what Joss's statement means, but yet, I'm really glad he said it. If he's doing this because he feels he needs to, then fine, but I'm glad he realizes that the craxy isn't just everyone else.

I am soooooo sad that this is the series that gets picked up for a second season, though. What a waste. Sigh.

I actually think Joss was joking in that quote. I have to admit that think one of the big issues with Dollhouse is that the season was started with those godawful standalones which made it seem as if it was about making Eliza dress up in outfits and service various guys. I have heard from very good sources that JW was forced to start with the standalones by the studio, and that he was heartbroken and furious about it and that if he didn't have 100s of jobs depending on him, he would have walked away. "His" series is about all the issues of identity which started showing up midway through the season. I liked what I saw of his series, even though the season as a whole did that central idea a huge disservice.