Wait. People? She eats people? 'To Serve Man.' It's 'To Serve Man' all over again.

Gunn ,'Power Play'


The Minearverse 6: Fiery Thread of Death

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls, The Inside and Drive), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath. Oh, and help us get Terriers dvds!


Matt the Bruins fan - Feb 21, 2009 5:03:24 pm PST #1961 of 4535
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I can't reach into a Pringles can without messing up my cuticles.


aurelia - Feb 21, 2009 5:17:49 pm PST #1962 of 4535
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

I really liked how everything was already intersecting and connecting, how we start the story with Echo and not Caroline, and Caroline is a much bigger mystery and more tantalizingly so. How the progression of Echos identity was already starting. The threads were already woven and the premise and overarching plot were already moving.

Yeah, that script was a much better introduction to the characters and the concept than "Ghost" was.


Dana - Feb 21, 2009 5:19:47 pm PST #1963 of 4535
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Unless he makes an overt move, I don't think I would shoot, otherwise it would feel like I could have done something else than kill him.

Huh. If someone's had sex with me and then started trying to kill me by chasing me with a bow and arrow, my instinct is to stop the fucker, forget the talking.

Admittedly, I have spent a lot of years yelling at people in horror movies, and it's easy to talk big when I'm not the situation.

As soon as I saw that they were rock-climbing, I was waiting for Suela's critique.


beekaytee - Feb 21, 2009 5:54:50 pm PST #1964 of 4535
Compassionately intolerant

I can't reach into a Pringles can without messing up my cuticles.

Okay, that made me guffaw.


Typo Boy - Feb 21, 2009 5:56:12 pm PST #1965 of 4535
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I handwave that because she drank the drugged water. In fact my problem is the opposite. She was pretty damned effective for someone druggecd enough to be having hallucinations.


beekaytee - Feb 21, 2009 6:00:06 pm PST #1966 of 4535
Compassionately intolerant

Seriously, that bit bugged me. Nevermind drinking out of a canteen when actual fresh water is available, because...have you ever drunk from a canteen? Ick. Plus, COOTIES. Who knows where that canteen has been?

And then, ability to function while drugged.

I caught myself rationalizing that the adrenaline counter-acted the drug. Then I chastized myself for being a Jossapologist.


Steph L. - Feb 21, 2009 6:07:19 pm PST #1967 of 4535
I look more rad than Lutheranism

As soon as I saw that they were rock-climbing, I was waiting for Suela's critique.

Ha! Me too!


Steph L. - Feb 21, 2009 6:07:25 pm PST #1968 of 4535
I look more rad than Lutheranism

[not enough to double-post, though]


Anastasius - Feb 21, 2009 6:21:41 pm PST #1969 of 4535

But it doesn't make it less rape merely because 18 months >ago Caroline signed a piece of paper. Consent doesn't work >like that.

The whole sci-fi premise of the show makes the topic way more ambiguous than that. You can't sign away your rights but who do these rights protect? What if the personality is just not in the body anymore? Do the rights protect your personality or do they protect your body? Are they separate entities? Should you be allowed to unconditionally sign away the rights to your body if you could remove the personality?

Who is Caroline? Is Caroline stored in a databank? Is Caroline her body? Is X% percent in the computer and Y% in her body? Is the body just a shell?

Are the imprints fully functioning human beings that should be afforded their human rights? Can they consent to what is happening to them? Do they have free will or is their programming completely dominant? If they can consent, are they allowed to do that with a body that doesn't belong to them?

What if Caroline's personality wasn't stored in a database but was transfered to another body, if this was just a bodyswitch? In a Hollywood comedy hijinks would ensue now but who retains which rights? Can I do with my new body as a I please? Etc., etc.

You can definitely come down on the side of rape after all this but I just don't know.


Juliebird - Feb 21, 2009 6:28:17 pm PST #1970 of 4535
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

What's the law on one of several split personalities committing a crime (beyond institutionalizing)? All I know of this I learned from watching Identity (which had "normal, moral, judicious" characters endorsing and instigating the murder of all the other personalities).

...that was going somewhere, but I forget now...