Well, if we followed the recipe...should be cake. A demon-violence-free-zone cake.

Lorne ,'Why We Fight'


The Minearverse 6: Fiery Thread of Death

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls, The Inside and Drive), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath. Oh, and help us get Terriers dvds!


Vortex - Feb 16, 2009 7:55:30 pm PST #1752 of 4535
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Fay, there do seem to be male actives, as there were some men getting into the sleep pods/taking showers, we haven't seen Echo interact with them.

I'm looking forward to next week's ep, which was the original pilot, wonder if some of our issues will be addressed.


§ ita § - Feb 16, 2009 8:09:28 pm PST #1753 of 4535
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Kevin says next week isn't the pilot:

Next week's episode is episode 3, "The Target". It's not the intended pilot - Fox refused to pony up to reshoot certain bits, so it's in the bin. Then it's on to epiosde 5, then episode 2


Vortex - Feb 16, 2009 8:14:32 pm PST #1754 of 4535
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Hmm, I could have sworn that I read it somewhere. Oh, well, i'm perfectly willing to concede.


Laga - Feb 16, 2009 8:42:08 pm PST #1755 of 4535
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

I think I saw one male Active.


Fay - Feb 16, 2009 8:53:33 pm PST #1756 of 4535
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

See, I'm thinking there should be maybe slightly more blokes than women, even, if anything, and that there should be plenty of people in their 30s and 40s, and a few who are older.


Emily - Feb 17, 2009 4:18:19 am PST #1757 of 4535
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

Coming in quite late... I noticed at least two male Actives, but they were beefcakey.

In general, I wasn't thrilled, but then I wasn't thrilled by "The Train Job," either, so I'm reserving judgment. My father, who was in and out of the room, said it seemed "dense," which I did like about it. There were a whole lot of storylines packed into such a short time.

I totally fast-forwarded past the Dushku-Glau promos. I've only ever seen Browder and Black do that convincingly.


Kevin - Feb 17, 2009 4:43:51 am PST #1758 of 4535
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

Next weeks episode was definitely, 100% produced as episode 3. It's written by Steve Deknight, and is the first episode where FOX seemed to think the show may work. Hence why it's moved forward in the airing order. They've also moved Tim's first episode forward in the running order slightly.

"Echo", the original pilot, is gone. Several plot elements no longer make sense in it, as they've gone a different direction with (some of) the characters and setup. "Echo" is a curious episode to be honest, as it is toneily (is that a word?) very different - it 'feels' like a Whedon show. It also connects a lot more of the dots, makes it clear there are Male dolls, and connects the different elements together more (e.g. Paul and Echo). It's a shame they lost it.

There are male dolls which can hired, they're visible in the background of the Dollhouse at this point. Also, the case file marked "ALPHA" seen at the end of the episode, follows the naming conventions for the dolls (echo, sierra etc), and you see a Naked Man (any HIMYM fans?) at the end of the episode.


Kevin - Feb 17, 2009 4:54:26 am PST #1759 of 4535
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

Here's the episode vs production order for the 6 episodes FOX has committed to airing:

Episode 1 - Feb 13 - "Ghost" (2nd episode shot - Joss)

Episode 2 - Feb 20 - "The Target" (4th episode shot - Steve Deknight)

Episode 3 - Feb 27 - "Gray Hour" (3rd episode shot - Elizabeth & Sarah)

Episode 4 - Mar 06 - "Stage Fright" (5th episode shot - Jed Whedon and Maurissa)

Episode 5 - Mar 13 - "True Believer" (7th episode shot - Tim)

Episode 6 - Mar 20 - "Man on the Street" (6th episode shot - Joss)

Note that this one is revised since I covered it on Dollverse, as it looks like they swapped 3 and 4 around again.


Ginger - Feb 17, 2009 4:57:08 am PST #1760 of 4535
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

toneily

tonally


Kevin - Feb 17, 2009 5:00:34 am PST #1761 of 4535
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

So close! But yet, not.