If so, it's an ass-backwards decision on the part of the network. I think it would be far less damaging to them as a single moment on the part of one skeevy character in the context of the show than as the tagline to a promo that's trying to present the public face of the whole series.

It's like Fox saying "Hey leering misogynists—have we got the show for you!"

I liked the show more than not. The early line "you ever clean a slate?.." was a nice antidote to the cliched dialogue of SCC. The Eliza/Summer promos were awful. I couldn't help feeling like Summer especially Did Not Want to be doing them. D cheered at the Grr Argh monster.

I won't be surprised if the show is cancelled before the vote on opening a new thread is final.

Allyson, the pitch of Dollhouse is a young woman becoming self aware and fighting those who put her in that position.

I'm pretty sure that we already knew that. I can't say that we saw that but then I gave up after what seemed like a lot of bad stacking matches scenes.

It's like Fox saying "Hey leering misogynists—have we got the show for you!"

You were icked out by Summer and Eliza's glossy pouts the same way I was--that's totally the message I got, but not from the show itself.

Even if the show progesses. I'm having trouble seeing a prolonged series. Maybe a BBC type of thing where you know the show will have x number of episodes, and you can really shape the arc of the show. Somehow, Dollhouse is reminding me Dark Angel. Also, Prison Break. Where can it go? She becomes self-aware and does what? Refuse to be mind wiped upon returning from a mission? Keep a video diary? After the wipes, the agents are practically labotimized. I can't imagine an insurection.

So they sign a contract to join. How do they quit? Also, I'm curious about the scars on Fred's face.

So they sign a contract to join. How do they quit?

That's one of the aspects I find interesting in theory (I'll wait to see if it proves interesting in execution): presuming they're joining willingly, the Actives are not just signing away their free will, but signing away their memory of having free will.

The make or break for me will be the nature of the missions.

This will make a big difference. I'm in for long enough to see where it is headed.

I fear for the future of the show. Many of us really want to like it and are struggling. The viewing masses that aren't trying hard to like it may not give it a second chance.

My mother, who is more of the viewing masses than I am, really liked it, fwiw.

The promos didn't squick me, I found them more funny in a whatever you have to do to keep the shows on the air kind of way.

I didn't think it was as bad as others seem to think. It did feel like they crammed a whole lot of info in there for the sake of getting it in the first episode.

A problem I'm having is that with the actives being so devoid of personality, it's hard to connect with them. It's really going to be on the supporting cast to pick up the slack. Problem is, I wasn't vibing off of any of them except Ballard. Didn't care much for Adelle, Boyd or Topher.

Am I wrong that the promo is NOT under the control of the show? That is Joss can't veto it. Eliza can't refuse to participate in it. Well, Eliza could refuse, but she'd be in violation of her contract and it would cost her a shitload of money. Which given that this sort of stuff is in millions of commercials would be a hell of a cost for not much gain.