Oh! I know this one! 'Slaying entails certain sacrifices, blah blah blahbity blah, I'm so stuffy, gimme a scone.'

Buffy ,'Help'


Natter 56: ...we need the writers.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Hil R. - Feb 10, 2008 11:54:42 am PST #8608 of 10001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Oh, on the savings thing -- I've got no debt, but also relatively little savings. Well, I've got some savings, but some of it I don't really count, because that's earmarked for summer rent and food, since I generally don't earn much money in the summers.

Really, debt worries me more than lack of savings does. I know that, in a pinch, I can get money -- though I'd hate to do it, if I really needed it, my parents would lend me some, or I could get a loan, or something. And while a loan would charge interest, potential interest in the future is less worrisome than actual interest now.


Jesse - Feb 10, 2008 11:55:19 am PST #8609 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Found a few interesting things -- my several-greats grandfather is listed on an 1866 census on the town they lived in in Poland as "szpekulant," which translates as, basically, "con-artist."

That's kind of awesome. I wonder if he actually was a con artist, trying to get the government to think he was an invester -- a little mini-con on The Man.


Hil R. - Feb 10, 2008 12:00:47 pm PST #8610 of 10001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Also, my great-grandfather's first cousin was the first man in Trenton sentenced under Prohibition. (The conviction was later overturned, on the grounds that the prosecution hadn't proven that he planned to sell the alcohol. He was just the owner of a "tavern" receiving a huge shipment of it. Also, looking up pretty much every lawyer, judge, and police officer involved on either side of that case gets me references to corruption charges and mafia involvement. And, in a few cases, connections to the Lindbergh baby case.)


Jesse - Feb 10, 2008 12:03:06 pm PST #8611 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

See, now I want to know all that stuff! All I know about anyone older than my grandparents is some half-information about inventing instant coffee. I was fascinated by the sad story from Tom Joyner's family about some relatives probably wrongly convicted and exectuted for killing someone.


Hil R. - Feb 10, 2008 12:07:42 pm PST #8612 of 10001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

For finding stuff within the US, the best resourse is ancestry.com. It's got all the census records (searchable and the original forms scanned) from 1930 back (though the 1890 ones were damaged in a fire years ago, before they were archived, so they've only got a few states for those), WWI and WWII draft cards, ship manifests from pretty much every ship coming into NY and a pretty good number for other ports, and a whole ton of other stuff. The transcriptions are sometimes pretty bad, so if there's a records like a census that you know ought to be there and isn't, it's sometimes helpful to search by something like first name and birth date, and then look at the last names that come up to see if something might be what you're looking for. (I've found a Hochman transcribed as Barkmu.)


Hil R. - Feb 10, 2008 12:23:15 pm PST #8613 of 10001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar doesn't want to blow you up: [link]


Jesse - Feb 10, 2008 12:35:34 pm PST #8614 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I don't know if I care enough to pay for ancestry.com, but huh.


tommyrot - Feb 10, 2008 12:54:33 pm PST #8615 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Old records on my mom's side of the family were destroyed by the Russians in their occupation of Finland during WW-II. The commie bastards....


erikaj - Feb 10, 2008 1:38:38 pm PST #8616 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Knowing what I know about the family I know...well, best to let it lie. Although who doesn't wish for a cool ancestor that could put you in some perspective, right? I so doubt it.


Vortex - Feb 10, 2008 1:47:29 pm PST #8617 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Oddly, for a place with no theater department or major, and very little in the way of facilities or encouragement, we've turned out quite a number of performing grads in the past ten years!

we had a theatre department, but it was very much a bastard child. Still, we produced Tina Fey, Shawn Patrick Thomas (Save the Last Dance), Jason George (Sunset Beach, Eve), and a slew of New York performers and actors.