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'Out Of Gas'


Natter 56: ...we need the writers.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Lee - Feb 09, 2008 8:34:49 pm PST #8551 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

Here's another angle on it: one of the inefficiencies in the market that money managers exploit is that people are fearful and don't understand how finance actually works. Savings is how people respond to their insecurity about not understanding finance.

Oh, I understand how finances work. I may not always do what I should, or rather as much as I should (again, Lazy), but I do understand them. I also understand that having some extra money available in addition to having investments works for me indivdually because of other factors that other people may not have.


tommyrot - Feb 09, 2008 8:35:17 pm PST #8552 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I wonder what the rate of return would be on investing in workers seizing the means of production and smashing the state....

I suppose the risk involved would be pretty high....


DavidS - Feb 09, 2008 8:39:50 pm PST #8553 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Another element of his argument which I'm not doing justice to is simply that people already have invested in various Emergency Funds that they don't think of as an investment because it is insurance, or taxes on unemployment or disability etc. This is actually a fairly significant part of his argument, that people don't see/understand that they've already invested in an emergency fund and it's called insurance.


beth b - Feb 09, 2008 8:42:48 pm PST #8554 of 10001
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

Now I've read ( well skimmed) What Gary said. Logically - his idea works for someone like me - DH and I have a house, some retirement, some other investments. DH had an opportunity to move some $$ into a higher yield account - but it could take over a week to get to it - I said go for it.

Now , I know other people that 1) have no investments 2) no house 3) no or little retirement -

they could use some saving - just so they can live in the no job emergency zone.

I have a pretty severe money fear. Logic is actually making me rethink things . Can I go as radical as no savings - probably not. But I think I can get way more radical with paying things off. After April. Just in case the bullshit with Matt's 401k comes back and tries to bite us in the ass.


§ ita § - Feb 09, 2008 8:42:56 pm PST #8555 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Der. I'm with those that didn't realise the precise argument. I should invest, but it would require paying attention.


libkitty - Feb 09, 2008 8:44:37 pm PST #8556 of 10001
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs

I don't mean to be ornery, but relying on insurance seems less secure to me, of late, as well.


erikaj - Feb 09, 2008 8:46:05 pm PST #8557 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

I'd be more interested if I weren't in the Snot Boogie income bracket.


Nutty - Feb 09, 2008 8:48:24 pm PST #8558 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

1. Who actually plays Monopoly long enough to lose? I always got bored before it got that far.

2.

(Too dripping with sarcasm? I just cant help myself.).

You are right: your friend's manuscript positively screams its douchebaggery. Please tell me it has never been published.

3. Your friend appears to assume that everyone on the planet is nimble and logical in their financial dealings, which is demonstrably untrue. The emotional exaggeration of risk is a nice, built-in brake on the headlong self-destructiveness of the impulse-buy.

4. I think the object lesson of the last year's financial shenanigans has been: use undue credit in haste, repent at leisure. And, I mean, undue credit is like mold on cheese, these days. One might even call aversion to risk somewhat of a virtue, especially where house-flipping in South Florida is concerned.


beth b - Feb 09, 2008 8:53:03 pm PST #8559 of 10001
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

I think insurance is like a lot of other investments. I have earthquake insurance. It does me no damn good if we have a little shake and the chimney falls off my house. however, if the big one hits --I have enough money for a house. not the sma e house - not even a whole house - but enough that I have a start. of course, the damn will break and there will be a flood and nothing will be covered .....because all damage will be flood damage not earthquake damage.


beth b - Feb 09, 2008 8:56:21 pm PST #8560 of 10001
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

1. Who actually plays Monopoly long enough to lose? I always got bored before it got that far.

me