What should I do, then? Send her a gift? Sacrifice? … Unholy fruit basket?

Angel ,'Just Rewards (2)'


Natter 56: ...we need the writers.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


erikaj - Feb 02, 2008 10:06:24 pm PST #6997 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

My real "Guy" is out. I have a second choice, just for, you know, the horse race of it all, but really? Still wishing it had turned out for Edwards.


Kat - Feb 02, 2008 10:11:52 pm PST #6998 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

If Edwards were still in, I would have a harder time deciding who I wanted to support. Hell, the same is true of Richardson and Kucinich. It's kind of a problem with the current system (one of many) that those of us not in an early primary place have less choice.

I'm still awake and my nose is runny. I think my kid got me sick. Sigh.


Cass - Feb 02, 2008 10:13:32 pm PST #6999 of 10001
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

I think my kid got me sick. Sigh.
They are squirmy petri dishes of charm and love.


DavidS - Feb 02, 2008 10:13:54 pm PST #7000 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I totally disagree, David.

And a Daley isn't mayor of Chicago? And Kennedys don't run for office? And Al Gore got nothing from his father? And Pelosi got nothing from her father's experience in Baltimore city politics?

Politics is a family business. It's not something you get from graduate school. Not the horrible, sausage-making aspect of it.

The difference between their platforms is marginal - except she's got a better handle on health care. But she knows a lot more about political infighting.


Kat - Feb 02, 2008 10:15:19 pm PST #7001 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

And sickness. Don't forget that Cass.

I'm also having a hard time trying to figure out who I want to root for in the Superbowl. I am over the Patriots, though I do like their zen-ish one game at a time perspective. But I like Eli Manning as the little-quarterback-who-could. Actually, I think I'm oddly charmed by the mythos of the whole Manning family.

Perhaps I'm overthinking this?


DavidS - Feb 02, 2008 10:19:55 pm PST #7002 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

FWIW, Kat we're not that far apart.

I would've voted for Edwards first, and thought Richardson was a strong choice.

I'm just afraid of Obama pulling a Carter - 4 and out, and 12 more years of Republicans.


Cass - Feb 02, 2008 10:21:42 pm PST #7003 of 10001
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

And sickness.
No lie. Though I will admit that my current pertussis was not given to me by a child. The child just gave me the virus that made me susceptible to le whoop.

It is just a darn good thing they are cuter than bugs.

Perhaps I'm overthinking this?
Maybe. But if you figure it out through logic, I will give you my root vote.


erikaj - Feb 02, 2008 10:22:19 pm PST #7004 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Obama is a "Wire" fan. We'd have something to talk about if we met. Hopefully, he considers Clay Davis Something To Avoid. (No, I wouldn't vote for somebody cause he likes Omar. But I might hold it against him if he didn't.)


Kat - Feb 02, 2008 10:25:20 pm PST #7005 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

I'd argue that the people you cited were successful at getting elected for name recognition, not because they suckled at the teat of their political parent.

Plus, this argument:

But she knows a lot more about political infighting.

Is very different than your first argument which was about policy stances:

I don't want somebody going into the White House making new and exciting mistakes because they don't have a grip on the vagaries of foreign policy or freakin' health care plans.

And I think you are wrong in part of your first argument because Obama has a better grasp on foreign policy than many, including Clinton. Health care plans? enh. I can only remember Hillary's extremely unsuccessful and politically tin-eared first attempt to get something done on the national level with health care.

And, again, you won't change my mind and I'm certain not to change yours. I guess that's also the beauty of our system.

In general, except for the extreme length of the campaign this go around, this has been a really interesting and engaging year for me in terms of politics. I think the undecided nature of it all has made it fun to follow both parties. There's a lot of really exciting energy in both parties (like the Ron Paul supporters!) right now. I'd like to think of it as renaissance of civic involvement or at least interest.

But frankly, I'd like to be able to listen to NPR and hear non-election news too.


Kat - Feb 02, 2008 10:29:17 pm PST #7006 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

It is just a darn good thing they are cuter than bugs.

Kids are just little germ bags. I wonder if I'm more susceptible this year because I'm out of the classroom and exposed to less.

Doesn't matter. My nose is runny and I can't sleep. I'm still blaming the baby.

Isn't Mardi Gras this tuesday? I'm confused because IHOP has declared the following tuesday Pancake Day.