I wanna hurt you, but I can't resist the sinister attraction of your cold and muscular body!

Buffybot ,'Dirty Girls'


Natter 56: ...we need the writers.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Jesse - Jan 02, 2008 2:09:43 pm PST #487 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

A glass of water is definitely your friend, Susan...


megan walker - Jan 02, 2008 2:16:40 pm PST #488 of 10001
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

Question for the hivemind:

I'm trying to come up with precise translations for a list of transitional phrases, i.e., something that will give the gist of how you use the expression and not just a bunch of howevers and therefores.

The expressions in question are "par contre" and "en revanche", which have come to mean the same thing in French (although the French equivalent of the Buffistas would surely disagree on that point). Both of my (very complete) French/English dictionaries here give "on the other hand" as the only translation.

1) Can you use "on the other hand" without "on the one hand"? I think you can, but one of my authors says no.

2) Do you see "however," "nevertheless," and "on the other hand" as equivalents?


Jesse - Jan 02, 2008 2:21:55 pm PST #489 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

1) Can you use "on the other hand" without "on the one hand"?

People absolutely do. And I'm not getting into the whole prescriptivist/descriptivist thing on that one!

2) Do you see "however," "nevertheless," and "on the other hand" as equivalents?

Not immediately, but on second thought, maybe? I would say so, but on the other hand, maybe not. However, maybe not. Nevertheless, maybe not. OK, I think not "nevertheless."


Laga - Jan 02, 2008 2:25:52 pm PST #490 of 10001
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

I agree with Jesse


Sheryl - Jan 02, 2008 2:37:46 pm PST #491 of 10001
Fandom means never having to say "But where would I wear that?"

Timelies all!

Have a headache and various aches and pains. So of course, there is nothing in the house for pain relief. Bleah.


Laga - Jan 02, 2008 2:42:51 pm PST #492 of 10001
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

I find pressing on the bridge of my nose helps relieve a headache just a little.


-t - Jan 02, 2008 2:56:09 pm PST #493 of 10001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I hardly ever say "on the one hand", but I use "on the other hand" all the time.

I would not describe the other words as equivalent, either. However, I could probably use them interchangeably. Nevertheless, they seem to have different connotations.


megan walker - Jan 02, 2008 2:59:29 pm PST #494 of 10001
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

The wording of your answers is cracking me up. Stop messing with my mind people! It's bad enough I spend half my day on these questions.


-t - Jan 02, 2008 3:05:06 pm PST #495 of 10001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

OK, specifically, OTOH seems like saying "here's an objection to that thing I just said, it didn't occur to me before, maybe I should rethink", however=but, nevertheless means "ignore anything to the contrary of what I'm about to say because this is what we're going to do".

That could just be me.


Laga - Jan 02, 2008 3:06:08 pm PST #496 of 10001
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

I don't think I've ever said, "on the one hand" but I do say, "on the other hand" quite a bit and "on the third hand" more often than my coworkers would probably like.