Aren't they something. They're like butterflies, or little pieces of wrapping paper blowing around.

Kaylee ,'Shindig'


Natter 56: ...we need the writers.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Kat - Jan 16, 2008 11:54:55 am PST #3690 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Or actively thinking, "that's okay" about whatever?

And if it's not just thinking this, if it's thinking what you want in your cold dark judgmental heart, but acting as if everything were just whatever, then does that make you tolerant or just non-confrontational?


Allyson - Jan 16, 2008 11:55:11 am PST #3691 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Oh, I approach it in a totally jerky way. I told one of my neighbors that if she could produce a study proving astral projection that was done/verified by an independent lab with real scientists I'd eat my own poop with a fork and knife.

She swore such studies existed and would provide them to me. I've been waiting for months.


§ ita § - Jan 16, 2008 11:55:39 am PST #3692 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The most devoutly Christian girl in class in high school told me once that she did believe I'd go to hell, but it was my choice, and she'd respect that and not interfere.

Which is all I want people to do, if they believe I'm eternally damned.


Fred Pete - Jan 16, 2008 11:57:38 am PST #3693 of 10001
Ann, that's a ferret.

I guess that's the problem with "tolerance" becoming such a catchword. What does tolerant mean? Does it mean, just living alongside? Or actively thinking, "that's okay" about whatever?

I think of it as, "I may not necessarily approve of what you're doing. But I need a better reason than that to stop you from doing it. Or for that matter, even telling you that I disapprove."

It's kind of like like watching Hubs's brother and his wife raise their kids. If I had (human) kids, I'd probably bring them up very differently. But as long as nobody's likely to get hurt, I keep my mouth shut.


megan walker - Jan 16, 2008 12:02:49 pm PST #3694 of 10001
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

Right. Its not like everybody in Darfur is just whiny or all those folks shipped off to Auschwitz wouldn't have if they'd just said "I want to live free of Nazis" instead of "Don't let the Nazis slaughter me and everyone I know."

Seriously. Two words: Anne. Frank.


Ginger - Jan 16, 2008 12:05:29 pm PST #3695 of 10001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

A beloved great uncle was the First Reader for his Christian Science congregation for many years, but he applied the teachings only to himself. He'd suggest to others that they go to the doctor, and I can't imagine him thinking that other people's illnesses were somehow their fault. His faith was something that guided him alone. He was also 100+ when he died, so it worked for him.


Stephanie - Jan 16, 2008 12:06:22 pm PST #3696 of 10001
Trust my rage

then does that make you tolerant or just non-confrontational?

When it comes to religion (and parenting, to bring in another conversation), I have definite opinions but I'm also truly not interested in trying to change anyone else's mind. I'm happy to talk about my religious beliefs but if I met someone like Allyson, I don't think I'd even bother, unless she was curious.

I don't know if I'm tolerant as much as I just hate having people push their ideas in my face so I try not to do it them either. (Is that another way of saying non-confrontational? BEcause I don't mind confrontation, but I want to know everyone is in it for the same reason.)


Jesse - Jan 16, 2008 12:10:00 pm PST #3697 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

This caused a huge issue for my step-dad and his family. They are decended from this lady [link] and as far as I know, G is the only one who left.

Wow, really?? I love their big walk-through globe in Boston.


Kat - Jan 16, 2008 12:12:06 pm PST #3698 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Okay, short story question....

What are some of your favorite short stories?

I've always loved "The Necklace" by Maupassant and "The Lottery" by Jackson. Others?


tommyrot - Jan 16, 2008 12:13:24 pm PST #3699 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

"To Build a Fire" by Jack London.