Spike: We got a history, him and me. Fred: What? Spike: It was a long time ago. He was a young Watcher, fresh out of the academy when we crossed paths. It was a, what-you-call battle of wills and blood was spilled. Vendettas were sworn. It was a whole-- Fred: My God you're so full of crap. Spike: Yeah. Okay.

'Unleashed'


Natter 56: ...we need the writers.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Trudy Booth - Jan 11, 2008 10:29:21 am PST #2594 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Well, HGH doesn't have any major side effects, that I know of.

I was thinking steroids specifically.

I'm not sure, really, why Human Growth Hormone should be banned. There are some people (quite possibly screw balls, I'll grant) who think it's use should be more widespread.

I know I'd love to have a doctor seriously push for it for Mom's insurance to cover it.

I had one friend friend with AIDS benefit greatly from it in the course of a study. Because he was terminal and benefitting so greatly they went ahead and doesed him longer and at higher levels than anybody else at that time. At a certain point it lost the "magic" and we eventually did lose him, but it never hurt him at all.


Sophia Brooks - Jan 11, 2008 10:35:35 am PST #2595 of 10001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

Wow, Sox, that website looks exactly like someone took a print document and stuck it on-line (which I see happen all the time around here).

I am ready to kill people who do not understand the difference between 'reimbursement' and 'waiver'. Seriously, the 5,000 people who don't want to pay me upfront because they "qualify for reimbursement" are going to be dead soon.


Burrell - Jan 11, 2008 10:48:46 am PST #2596 of 10001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Well, HGH doesn't have any major side effects, that I know of.

I thought it led to enlarged heart and excess bone growth, but I may be mistaken. Also elite athletes tend to take steroids, etc, at levels that FAR exceed therapeutic doses.


Theodosia - Jan 11, 2008 10:58:33 am PST #2597 of 10001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

HGH causes acromegaly with associated risks to the organs (heart, aneurysms), but it takes years of high dosage via pituitary tumor.


Trudy Booth - Jan 11, 2008 10:59:56 am PST #2598 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Also elite athletes tend to take steroids, etc, at levels that FAR exceed therapeutic doses.

Oh yes. Which is part of why I can't imagine them NOT feeling it.


§ ita § - Jan 11, 2008 11:06:48 am PST #2599 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The guys I know who took steroids certainly knew it. And you can tell it by looking at them even now. It's your body. When you're an elite athlete it's your delicate instrument. You gotta know.


brenda m - Jan 11, 2008 11:07:01 am PST #2600 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Well, HGH doesn't have any major side effects, that I know of. Actually, it's really interesting to me that pro players, who basically have all possible science at their fingertips for the asking, are as clueless and gullible as the general public when it comes to substances and health.

Where the argument falls apart for me is that performance enhancing drugs sure do have a major side effect - they enhance performance. And I find it beyond credibility that a professional athlete, someone who's been focusing on and monitoring and measuring and working to improve their abilities is oblivious to changes that come faster and easier than what they're accustomed to after a lifetime of training and competing. Denial's an incredibly powerful thing, but at some level you gotta know.


sarameg - Jan 11, 2008 11:07:07 am PST #2601 of 10001

From what I gather, these are a form of baby announcements and gift to the announcee: [link] [link] It's...different.


brenda m - Jan 11, 2008 11:08:35 am PST #2602 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Is that a bag of rice? ETA: And do they customize the weight of rice in the bag to match the baby? Because they so should.


sarameg - Jan 11, 2008 11:10:46 am PST #2603 of 10001

You are so right, brenda! They should.