You turn on any of my crew, you turn on me.

Mal ,'Ariel'


Natter 55: It's the 55th Natter  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Nilly - Dec 25, 2007 8:44:36 pm PST #9150 of 10001
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Kristin!

What is Arizona time? Is it like the board's, or a different timezone?

Also, yay for enjoying a visit to Israel! Where has she been? Was this an arranged-for-groups (err, where is my vocabulary?) trip, or something smaller? [Edit: hmm, and what does she mean by "culture"? Just one? We have so many! But maybe that's the culture she's talking about? Hmm.]

Everybody should come visit Israel! Um, and not even because I am here and will get to see you. Because it's lovely.


Pix - Dec 25, 2007 8:49:32 pm PST #9151 of 10001
We're all getting played with, babe. -Weird Barbie

Arizona time is one hour later than board time for half the year and the same as board time the other half. They don't change for daylight savings time. Right now it's an hour later than board time.

Cousin L. went all over the country but mainly Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, and Eilat. She says that her entire host stay in Eilat was amazing--they had a student exchange, so she stayed with the family of the girl who L. hosted here in Arizona earlier this fall.

The program was through the American Israel Friendship League. (L. is here dictating to me as I ask her your questions, so my response may seem choppy.) She toured Tel Aviv University--is that where you are, by chance?

ETA: And she says she visited the Diaspora Museum.


Nilly - Dec 25, 2007 9:00:43 pm PST #9152 of 10001
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Oh, Eilat is probably the most relaxed place to be in Israel - that's the first vacation choice for so many people. And it's lovely. Did she see the underwater observatory? And the reef?

Tel Aviv University isn't the one I go to, but it's not far away.

The Diaspora Museum in Jerusalem? "Yad Vashem"? It's very impressive, even on repeated visits.

I'm so glad she enjoyed her trip! As if I'm in charge of Israel being nice, or something. Silly patriotism, I guess, but there you go.


Pix - Dec 25, 2007 9:07:45 pm PST #9153 of 10001
We're all getting played with, babe. -Weird Barbie

She said that yes, she did see both the underwater observatory and the reef, and she's tickled that you're asking her these questions.

She's a very thoughtful, mature young woman, so I think what makes me happiest about her experience is the richness of her appreciation now of Israeli culture. She reads constantly and has had a close Palestinian friend for years, so she was worried about going to Israel and being "biased," but she said that that friendship only added depth to what she saw and learned in Israel. She and I talked for awhile about the teacher strike and the horrible status of teachers in the country, too, and I was really impressed with her balanced thoughtfulness about all kinds of issues. She said that one of the things she valued the most about the trip was seeing another country that is a vibrant "democracy in action," not afraid to hash out tough issues. She felt truly valued by the people she met and has forged firm friendships with many Israeli teens. So yes, she has a wonderful opinion of your beloved country.

She did all of this on full scholarship. I'm so proud of her.


Typo Boy - Dec 25, 2007 9:12:14 pm PST #9154 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Via Matt Yglesias - formal ethnographic study of the relationship between (American East Coast) Jews and Chinese food. It may be the only formal ethnographic study ever to include the following joke:

"According to the Jewish calendar, the year is 5749. According to the Chinese calendar, the year is 4687. That means for 1,062 years, the Jews went without Chinese food."

(PDF) [link]


Pix - Dec 25, 2007 9:17:00 pm PST #9155 of 10001
We're all getting played with, babe. -Weird Barbie

"According to the Jewish calendar, the year is 5749. According to the Chinese calendar, the year is 4687. That means for 1,062 years, the Jews went without Chinese food."
Heh.

Okay, I should be good and get offline. The carpal tunnel in my right wrist is getting to be extremely painful, and I have a feeling that typing more is not going to help.

Timelies!


DavidS - Dec 25, 2007 9:20:50 pm PST #9156 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Matilda steals my candy

(Note the blinds she has wrecked behind us.)


Nilly - Dec 25, 2007 9:21:30 pm PST #9157 of 10001
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Oh, Kristin, I'm reading your description of her trip with such a wide smile on my face - what an impressive young woman L seems to be!

If anything, people are not hesitant about speaking up their mind, here. The famous Israeli "chutzpa".

[Edited to "good night!" Kristin, and wave at Typo Boy. Matilda pictures will get a separate post.]


Nilly - Dec 25, 2007 9:48:03 pm PST #9158 of 10001
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So, um, Matilda pictures?

First, Emmett looks like he's going to finish being a kid in just a short while, doesn't he? I mean, I know he's much older than when I actually got to meet him, but still - I can see the teenager he's going to grow into, already in those pictures. Hmm, is it OK to say about a boy his age that he looks adorable? Is it OK if I only say it about the pictures in which Matilda is snuggling in his lap, or is it wrong even then?

And, oh, Matlida (doesn't she look a lot like JZ in this picture?). I mean, just the look on her "what is that thing on daddy's face? Must investigate" face, even before the beautiful smile.

Oh, and isn't it silly, that I love this picture so much, when you can only see half her face? But I do.


DavidS - Dec 25, 2007 10:01:47 pm PST #9159 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Thanks, Nilly. Emmett is definitely pre-teen, and growing quite a lot in the last year. He hasn't really done the gangly thing I did. He's quite solid and strong through the chest and arms.

Though there are times when it's tough to juggle cooking when Matilda is clinging to me, I have to admit that she is extremely affectionate and cuddlesome child. I know she feels very safe and loved when she's nestled up against me and I often wonder how or if she will be able to draw on that in her later life.

I've always felt with her (and with Emmett) that all the love you can give into them when they are little becomes a kind of foundation for them. A knowing-without-thinking-about-it feeling of worth.

Though sometimes it's exhausting when she's being a little cling-monkey, I don't take it for granted. I'm very aware that I'm lucky to receive her love.