Giles: Stop that, you two. Riley: He started it... Xander: He called me a bad name! I think it was bad; it might have been Latin.

'Selfless'


Natter 55: It's the 55th Natter  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Java cat - Nov 28, 2007 7:17:59 pm PST #4384 of 10001
Not javachik

Medically speaking, ... Assuming that pregnancy out of the question, when was the last significant low-risk disease-wise window for random shagging?

1980. See page 12: [link]

IIRC, it took about 2 years from then for it percolate into the culture in areas where their were gay populations and it spread slowly from there. Rock Hudson's death in 1985 was the first really public admission that AIDS existed. Other diseases existed before then, of course, but that was the first one that could kill you.

To my mind, it was during the heated debates about closing the baths in SF that It Became Real among my set anyway; we were in our mid-20s then. Where before one might have had a quick, "Hey, are you clean, I am" exchange en route to teh act; after, it became a longer conversation well in advance about prior partners and testing, which was still quite controversial in the early years.

Rest in Peace John Chidester, photographer, friend, co-worker, and Sister of Perpetual Indulgence.


sarameg - Nov 28, 2007 7:27:45 pm PST #4385 of 10001

Well, fuck. I just spent an hour over at Ms. Louise's. She found her sister, Elaine, dead on the floor of her bedroom. She probably died late this morning. Ms. Elaine was her baby sister, and she and I had many a snarky conversations. It was really unexpected. They are still waiting for the coroner.

Strange thing is, I've done this before and she hasn't. I did it at 11. She's doing it at 60+.


Lee - Nov 28, 2007 7:31:41 pm PST #4386 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

Oh, sarameg, that's horrible. Poor Ms. Louise.


sarameg - Nov 28, 2007 7:36:05 pm PST #4387 of 10001

I worried about Ms. Louise. She was in the hospital (heart problems, which she has many) just this past weekend. And I don't know how she'll manage without the extra income. Which pales in comparison to losing her sister like this. Still. We (her pastor was there) have just told her to just get through tonight. But there is more to get through. Fuck. I'm going to bed.


Cass - Nov 28, 2007 7:37:17 pm PST #4388 of 10001
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

I am sorry, sarameg. Poor Ms. Louise.


beth b - Nov 28, 2007 7:40:18 pm PST #4389 of 10001
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

Oh sarameg , that's horrid. send Ms. Louise all our ma~~~.

and on another note, I just watched Bones. I agree with kristin 100% including having the same reaction.


beekaytee - Nov 28, 2007 8:07:48 pm PST #4390 of 10001
Compassionately intolerant

Oh sarameg , that's horrid. send Ms. Louise all our ma~~~.

Seconded. Bless all your hearts.


P.M. Marc - Nov 28, 2007 8:12:55 pm PST #4391 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Oh, hon, how awful for Ms. Louise and all of you.


Trudy Booth - Nov 28, 2007 8:17:00 pm PST #4392 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Sarameg, I'm so sorry.


Cashmere - Nov 28, 2007 8:20:30 pm PST #4393 of 10001
Now tagless for your comfort.

sarameg, how awful for Ms. Louise. I'm so sorry for both of you.