You know, it's funny. We went to war never looking to come back, but it's the real world I couldn't survive.

Tracy ,'The Message'


Natter 55: It's the 55th Natter  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Jesse - Nov 15, 2007 7:36:35 am PST #2419 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I wouldn't have thought it earlier, but I'm thinking that Giuliani might be able to get enough grudging support from the religious right to get the nomination. I think they'll like his image as being tough on terrorism, and they may choose electability over a better ideological fit considering that the Democrats might nominate the incarnation of Satan as their candidate.

GAH.

I heard that too. What rubs me the wrong way is that the story never (save for the Mormon religion scholar-and even then only slightly) pointed out that maybe a person's personal religious beliefs or lack thereof shouldn't be part of their qualifications for president. I mean if people uncomfortable with Romney because he's not the right kind of Christian are people to be listened to and taken seriously, what chance would someone not Christian at all have?

Hey, we elected that Catholic that one time! ... No, seriously, of course you're right. It's kind of shocking how common and accepted that story made it sound.


Gudanov - Nov 15, 2007 7:37:33 am PST #2420 of 10001
Coding and Sleeping

I mean if people uncomfortable with Romney because he's not the right kind of Christian are people to be listened to and taken seriously, what chance would someone not Christian at all have?

I'm pretty sure the answer is none. Not all Christians consider Mormons to be Christians at all.


Daisy Jane - Nov 15, 2007 7:38:59 am PST #2421 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

Hey, we elected that Catholic that one time!

Well, and then there was the story right after that with the church saying that political actions can affect personal salvation. Dudes! Keep your religion out of my politics, and I'll keep my politics out of your religion!


Trudy Booth - Nov 15, 2007 7:40:05 am PST #2422 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

I'm pretty sure the answer is none. Not all Christians consider Mormons to be Christians at all.

Yeah. And I'd think that among Christians who care very much about the religion of the President the percentage who believe so would be very high.


Gudanov - Nov 15, 2007 7:41:23 am PST #2423 of 10001
Coding and Sleeping

Hey, we elected that Catholic that one time!

Catholics are still Christians, just not Protestants. Not that there aren't any Protestants who would not consider Catholics Christian and visa versa.


Daisy Jane - Nov 15, 2007 7:42:13 am PST #2424 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

So the people who think that a Jewish person shouldn't be president because of their Jewishness are people we should care about and listen to rather than say, telling them, "Y'all are nuts!"


Dana - Nov 15, 2007 7:43:00 am PST #2425 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Thompson could be the guy if he was running a more effective campaign.

Yeah, he kinda went splat, didn't he?


amych - Nov 15, 2007 7:45:01 am PST #2426 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Dudes! Keep your religion out of my politics, and I'll keep my politics out of your religion!

There may have been actual screaming at the radio and serious thoughts of moving to, oh, any of a dozen other countries this morning. I hate it this state of affairs is so widespread that "if I leave for the Netherlands, it means my in-laws won" is an argument for not doing so.


Sophia Brooks - Nov 15, 2007 7:46:24 am PST #2427 of 10001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

Catholics are still Christians

I think there are a large number of people who don't consider Catholics Christians, strange as it seems to those of us who were raised Catholic.


§ ita § - Nov 15, 2007 7:46:36 am PST #2428 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I remember someone (Nilly?) saying that the US paid more attention to the religion of its leaders than Israel does.

Hmm.