The "don't be eliteist" trend seems to be in the last ten or twenty years.

wanders off mumbling about the goddamned hippies

Differentiation is the norm in modern teaching, Fay, never fear. It's considered extremely important in elementary and middle school (up to about age 13), though we certainly strive to do so in the upper grades too.

Differentiation is the norm in modern teaching, Fay, never fear. It's considered extremely important in elementary and middle school (up to about age 13), though we certainly strive to do so in the upper grades too

Huh. That news must not have gotten to the town where I grew up, then -- as of a few years ago, a bunch of parents were still fighting what seemed like a losing battle to bring back reading groups. And when my older sister was in high school, they had what different class levels starting in eighth grade, but by the time I was there, four years later, that started in eleventh grade.

Also, and I realize this is a separate issue, but I feel like ranting about it anyway -- with the standardized testing, lots of times, it only counts pass/fail rates. So when I was volunteer tutoring in a school in New Orleans (this was a few years before No Child Left Behind, but there was a similar state program), I was working with kids in a fourth grade class. The kids we were assigned to work with were the ones who were reading just below a fourth grade level, the ones who could get up to the fourth grade level with a bit of work. There were also some kids in the class who were reading at somewhere around a first or second grade level, but since the school had limited resources, our efforts had to be focused on the kids who might get up to the "pass" range, not the ones who might improve a whole lot but still be failing.

this was a few years before No Child Left Behind, but there was a similar state program

LATIP/LATEP or something? I remember that. It even required teachers to have a certain amount of flair. Dude. I was at a magnet school. We don't need big glossy posters to memorize the presidents.

LATIP/LATEP or something?

LEAP, I'm pretty sure. Lousiana Educational Assessment Program, maybe? Around 2000 or 2001.

I can't remember if we had to take that or not. I mostly remember the CAT. LATIP/LATEP was something they were using back in my day to judge the teachers. It was horrible and I imagine some of my favorite teachers might not have passed based on stupid stuff.

I should not be around teh humans today. I am in a right foul mood and could be irrational in my actions and/or words.

For instance, thinking one's mother is a bloody cow for no reason other than she's there is not healthy.

LATIP/LATEP was something they were using back in my day to judge the teachers.

No, this was tests for the kids. In fourth grade, then again in eighth, I think, but my group was only working with the fourth graders. (Totally random story from that year: I was working with a kid who was reading a story about Jackie Robinson. Got to something about baseball cards, and he looked confused. I ask if he knew what baseball cards were, and he said no. I, slightly boggled, started to explain. He interrupted and said, "Oh! Like football cards?" Kids these days.)

There's a lot of research that suggests that tracking (different groupings according to performance) is helpful to the high-achieving kids but actually harmful to the middle- and low-achieving kids.

That said, on at least an anecdotal level I feel like grouping should work, if only we can figure out a way to do it without kids feeling like they're in the "dumb" class and therefore shouldn't even bother. The last two years (okay, one-and-a-half) I was in those classes, and boy did those kids know it.

And while differentiation within a heterogenous group is the current watchword (right alongside standardization @@), in practice I have yet to see anyone successfully do it in secondary math. We all agree that it's the goal, but hell if I know how to do it -- and I've observed some darn good teachers who also don't know how.

t /all-of-1.5-years-experience-knowitall

Oh, and Fay? Dressing like that is one of the perks of teaching that age group! Embrace it!

ETA: Mind you, tracking ends up putting kids who are behind in math in the behind-in-English classes as well, just because of scheduling, which is just dumb. So there's that problem too. So maybe the problem is with that kind of grouping, and not so much with within-class groups.