I said I'm sorry. I've made mistakes, but fear was never one of them.

Lilah ,'Conviction (1)'


Procedurals 1: Anything You Say Can and Will Be Used Against You.

This thread is for procedural TV, shows where the primary idea is to figure out the case. [NAFDA]


Typo Boy - Mar 14, 2013 9:20:51 pm PDT #9668 of 11831
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Latest Sherlock: I think we as viewers are being let in on something the characters don't know yet. If so, I hope they catch up soon - not good to let your audience get too far ahead.

Basically I think Joan and Sherlock are making a fundamental mistake in Joan's training. Not that learning some of the skills she is learning is a mistake. But the basic intent seems to be to turn her into a 2nd Sherlock. And on the one hand that is not possible, because some of the what Sherlock can do can't be taught. And on the other hand it is the wrong goal in any case. Sherlock already is Sherlock. He does not need a mental twin. Joan has been the most help to him through her ability to complement him, to do stuff he can't. She has empathy, social skills, medical knowledge, and an ability to spot breaks in patterns that reveals stuff Sherlock's own brand of deduction does not. They work better together than separately.

Now maybe this is just head canon, and I'm reading something the writers don't intend. But I suspect we are intended to see this, and the characters will realize and explicitly say it in an episode or so. When Joan says "I can't do this" she is both right and wrong. She can't be another Sherlock, but she can go on being an awesome Joan who can do all sorts of things Sherlock can't do, that may be more important than what Sherlock does. At minimum they let Sherlock do what he does far better than if she was not there. At that last sentence IS canon.


§ ita § - Mar 15, 2013 6:33:54 am PDT #9669 of 11831
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

When you call the show Sherlock it is confusing for a bit.


Steph L. - Mar 15, 2013 6:38:19 am PDT #9670 of 11831
I look more rad than Lutheranism

When you call the show Sherlock it is confusing for a bit.

Tim can't stop calling it that either, even when I hiss something Cumberbatchy at him. When Sherlock is back on the air, it's gonna get super confusing all up in here.


DebetEsse - Mar 15, 2013 7:57:31 am PDT #9671 of 11831
Woe to the fucking wicked.

I think Elementary should just go into reruns for that month.


Typo Boy - Mar 15, 2013 3:52:21 pm PDT #9672 of 11831
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Sorry. Yes, Elementary.


beekaytee - Mar 15, 2013 4:15:19 pm PDT #9673 of 11831
Compassionately intolerant

In this most recent episode of Elementary, I was fascinated by Sherlock's hands. JLM acts with his entire body.


Vonnie K - Mar 15, 2013 4:31:04 pm PDT #9674 of 11831
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

Jonny Lee Miller's so freakin' interesting to watch every single second. He wears and lives Sherlock's twitchy, restless physicality so completely. I've watched a lot of his previous work and thought he was pretty good, but with Elementary, I'm just blown away, week after week. (Also, I've never found JLM this attractive before, ever. He always seemed vaguely unformed to me. Not in this though.)

This show keeps reminding me of Life -- flamboyant and charismatic male lead played brilliantly by a Brit, and the female lead who is basically my spirit animal. No wonder I love it so much.


billytea - Mar 15, 2013 4:49:36 pm PDT #9675 of 11831
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

This show keeps reminding me of Life -- flamboyant and charismatic male lead played brilliantly by a Brit, and the female lead who is basically my spirit animal. No wonder I love it so much.

I spent some time trying to reconcile this statement with David Attenborough's Life.


Vonnie K - Mar 15, 2013 5:34:16 pm PDT #9676 of 11831
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

Well, I probably didn't help with some of my word choices there. :)


-t - Mar 16, 2013 4:59:59 am PDT #9677 of 11831
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Bubbles!

Joan's friends kind of suck.