Buffy: He ran away, right? Giles: Sort of, more. turned and swept out majestically, I suppose. Said I didn't concern him. Buffy: So a mythic triumph over a completely indifferent foe? Giles: Well, I'm not dead or unconscious, so I say bravo for me.

'Same Time, Same Place'


Procedurals 1: Anything You Say Can and Will Be Used Against You.

This thread is for procedural TV, shows where the primary idea is to figure out the case. [NAFDA]


sj - Oct 29, 2012 4:46:27 pm PDT #9345 of 11831
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

And I continue to have Very Strong Feelings about non-military (or something explicitly parallel) Watson.

Me too.


Steph L. - Oct 29, 2012 5:13:17 pm PDT #9346 of 11831
I look more rad than Lutheranism

And I continue to have Very Strong Feelings about non-military (or something explicitly parallel) Watson.

Which is another reason "Elementary" is entertaining, but really not Sherlock Holmes.

They could have called it something else, and I'd still watch it. But if they called it something else, they wouldn't have that hook.


Connie Neil - Oct 29, 2012 5:50:54 pm PDT #9347 of 11831
brillig

to my mind, the BBC Moriarty does not feel like the book Moriarty. Book Moriarty is coldly brilliant and ruthless. He would unhesitatingly remove minions who failed him, but he would not waste energy on mind games and Joker-esque statements.


Steph L. - Oct 29, 2012 6:15:04 pm PDT #9348 of 11831
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Yes yes yes, Connie.


P.M. Marc - Oct 29, 2012 7:45:47 pm PDT #9349 of 11831
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

"'Well, well,' said he, at last. 'It seems a pity, but I have done what I could. I know every move of your game. You can do nothing before Monday. It has been a duel between you and me, Mr. Holmes. You hope to place me in the dock. I tell you that I will never stand in the dock. You hope to beat me. I tell you that you will never beat me. If you are clever enough to bring destruction upon me, rest assured that I shall do as much to you.'

"Because you will find me a dangerous companion now. This man's occupation is gone. He is lost if he returns to London. If I read his character right he will devote his whole energies to revenging himself upon me. He said as much in our short interview, and I fancy that he meant it. I should certainly recommend you to return to your practice."

There's very little actual text to base any Moriarty on, but I don't think that BBC's an entirely inaccurate reading of the text.

But then, I thought Andrew Scott was chilling in TRF.


Connie Neil - Oct 29, 2012 7:49:37 pm PDT #9350 of 11831
brillig

Once Holmes destroyed his empire, yes, Moriarty went a bit nuts. But not until then.


Ginger - Oct 29, 2012 7:58:44 pm PDT #9351 of 11831
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

The BBC's Moriarty just didn't seem like the mysterious head of a vast criminal ring.


billytea - Oct 29, 2012 8:04:56 pm PDT #9352 of 11831
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

The BBC's Moriarty just didn't seem like the mysterious head of a vast criminal ring.

No, but he did seem like the mysterious head of a Reddit subforum, so there's that.


P.M. Marc - Oct 29, 2012 8:17:07 pm PDT #9353 of 11831
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

ACD Moriarty was 90% Asspull, 8% Flebotinum, and 2% Retcon.

He's only slightly more fleshed-out in the canon than Adler. And that's the 2% Retcon doing that.

No, but he did seem like the mysterious head of a Reddit subforum, so there's that.

And there wasn't even coffee to go on my monitor... damn!


Zenkitty - Oct 29, 2012 8:19:28 pm PDT #9354 of 11831
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Although I hated BBC's nutcase Moriarty, I can see the BBC show as a twisted alternate-universe version of the canon. I can't see that in Elementary. It's just another show about a special detective with amazing insight. I thought I'd be able to watch it on its own merits, without comparing it to BBC, but I couldn't watch without comparing it to canon, because it IS still supposed to be Sherlock Holmes. When Holmes said, "Sometimes I hate it when I'm right," I had to go. There's no version of Holmes who would say that. I didn't like Liu's Watson either; I couldn't see any damn reason she'd stay and put up with him.