Homicide got beaten by Nash Bridges for not being glamorous. But then everybody loves that one with D'nofrio and the subway train...I hate that one.

it's as if they really didn't understand Watson as a character

This.

What I loved about the new Holmes on BBC was the immediate getting if why "Sherlock and Watson". Watson completely geeking out over Holmes and getting him like no one else does made for a compelling premise of just why exactly these particular characters needed to be seen together and have their stories told.

Elementary doesn't have that zing pow BOOM. Watson could be anybody in that role. There's no special zing, no reason why THESE TWO YESl

I really don't like characters that fuck with another character for no good reason. That's Elementary.

I didn't get that sense in the BBC version. Holmes kept shit from Watson, but didn't fuck with him for no good reason *most* times.

I'm entertained marginally by Elementary, but it is wearing on my patience a bit. I think the overgrown manchild shtick wears me out after 1-2 seasons.

I'm entertained marginally by Elementary, but it is wearing on my patience a bit. I think the overgrown manchild shtick wears me out after 1-2 seasons.

Exactly my problem with both Everbody Loves Raymond and the Bush Presidency. I still can't believe it got renewed!

I was reading a quote from one of the BBCSherlock show-runners who was talking about how, after they had cast Cumberbatch and Freeman came in and read with him, said something like "there's our show right there." wrt the chemistry between them.

Miller and Liu are both fine actors. I can even kind of see his Holmes (and I'm willing to give him some time, with a full season), but, yeah, I don't think the writers "get" Watson (understandable, since Watson is a deceptively hard character)

This Watson is very different from the traditional Watson. There's no war background, she lost a patient and her medical credentials (apparently, or she just quit), and she doesn't want to share. I think she's still in "This is just a job I'm doing, he's just doing moderately interesting things but I can't get attached" mode. He's definitely in "I can be trusted with my own brain, no, really, why did Dad sic a chaperone on me?" Once she gets more involved in the cases, their dynamic might change.

He was rightfully annoyed that she was poking around his stuff, but he did start playing again. So they are affecting each other.

I'm intrigued by this variant. I'm glad it's not an attempt to just drop the traditional Holmes and Watson into 21st Century New York.

edit: And please, no Moriarty, especially if they go with the batshit crazy version BBC did. Moriarty is ruthless and brilliant, he's not insane.

I'm intrigued by this variant. I'm glad it's not an attempt to just drop the traditional Holmes and Watson into 21st Century New York.

This.

edit: And please, no Moriarty, especially if they go with the batshit crazy version BBC did. Moriarty is ruthless and brilliant, he's not insane.

Also this. As much as I overwhelmingly love CumberSherlock, I equally loathe that iteration of Moriarty.

I wish they had kept the war element to Watson and the war injury.

Yes, they could have, it wouldn't have been easy.