I walk. I talk. I shop, I sneeze. I'm gonna be a fireman when the floods roll back. There's trees in the desert since you moved out. And I don't sleep on a bed of bones.

Buffy ,'Chosen'


Procedurals 1: Anything You Say Can and Will Be Used Against You.

This thread is for procedural TV, shows where the primary idea is to figure out the case. [NAFDA]


Zenkitty - May 22, 2012 6:47:39 am PDT #8961 of 11831
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Ginger, I fear I will find that account more believable than the one we'll get from Moffat. He has gleefully said that no one's come up with the answer and it will surprise everyone, so I'm thinking the obvious answer, which DCJ just postulated, will not be the answer.

Even if it's ridiculous, he'd better make me like it.


WindSparrow - May 23, 2012 4:54:52 pm PDT #8962 of 11831
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

It also is a mystery why law enforcement would be working with Red John. Why? Why would other free thinking adults be working with RJ? I would like to believe that the average adult is not interested in being involved with a serial killer. So what exactly is RJ's draw?

I believe the implication is that Red John is Bret Stiles' more evil, more successful twin brother, metaphorically at least. "Free thinking adults" is not an accurate way to describe Red John followers. I am fairly certain Rosalind Harker is the only one that could possibly have qualified, and I am rather certain it no longer does. While psychopaths rarely play well with others, I think some RJ followers are this way by nature and find themselves drawn to him because he can augment their ability to indulge in whatever proclivities to violence and evil that they have. Others like Rebecca and Gupta appear to have a functioning sense of right and wrong which has somehow been warped through RJ's mind control, genuinely believing that obeying Red John is more right, more good than obeying the law and conforming to society's moral standards. (Gee, that doesn't sound too much like a metaphor for the more extreme bits of fundamentalist Christianity in this country, does it?) I imagine Red John to be something of a Jim Jones or ... um... I don't want to invoke Godwin's Law... so, you know, that guy - charismatic enough to easily manipulate people - but for some reason RJ is going for a secret society, illuminati, conspiracy theorists' dream kind of power rather than more obvious and public displays.


§ ita § - May 24, 2012 5:46:42 am PDT #8963 of 11831
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Why did they give him a Deerstalker? Why was that a thing?


sumi - May 24, 2012 6:53:25 am PDT #8964 of 11831
Art Crawl!!!

I thought it was because he happened to wear one when the papparazzi photographed him at that time.


§ ita § - May 24, 2012 7:44:06 am PDT #8965 of 11831
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Then why is he so stumped by what it is? It is the hat you wore the last time, then. Was it an ear hat then? Did you throw it at anyone? Could you work out back from front?

I watched the finale again and...well, the whole series is a very deliberate conceit. How do you write a character that is much more brilliant than you are? Use a series of coincidences, and strictly control the environment to get the answers he needs. I find it a bit clumsy, and don't dig the Sherlock the master consulting detective all that much. I think both their faces are well suited for the role. Martin is very everyman, but he can turn on the military with a snap of the heels. And Benedict looks suitably haughty, with the catlike shape of his eyes and ridic cheekbones. And they do well at acting both very emotional and also stiff upper lip.

I am not surprised the shippers are going crazy. They clearly complement each other in a way that makes the predisposed want to...well, it's a profound bond, isn't it? So very.

I'm not interested in the way my dash seems to be (really not in love with Moriarty or MorMor (could there be a MorMorMol? Hmmm....) very much--he's not a bad guy I can sink my teeth into.


Typo Boy - May 24, 2012 8:02:19 am PDT #8966 of 11831
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Moriarity irritates me.


-t - May 24, 2012 8:14:44 am PDT #8967 of 11831
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

He was only wearing the deerstalker when the picture got snapped because he'd plucked it off a hatrack as an impromptu disguise (they were passing through a wardrobe room for some reason? Something like that) but that picture became his public image. I can see being annoyed.


DebetEsse - May 24, 2012 1:33:38 pm PDT #8968 of 11831
Woe to the fucking wicked.

I find the fascination with Moran, who has never appeared on the show at all, trying in the extreme.

-t is me on the hat.

ita !, do you have the same problem with the original Doyle stories? It seems like it's inherent in the concept.


§ ita § - May 25, 2012 6:37:40 am PDT #8969 of 11831
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

do you have the same problem with the original Doyle stories?

I don't find ACD as coy as Moffat and Gatiss. All of them are playing to their audience, to string them along in specific ways, but the harping on the woobie unclear-sexual cake and eating it too makes me roll my eyes much more.

I find the fascination with Moran, who has never appeared on the show at all, trying in the extreme.

AND ALL THE FANART.


WindSparrow - May 25, 2012 8:01:33 am PDT #8970 of 11831
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

I don't find ACD as coy as Moffat and Gatiss.

It may also be of use that Conan Doyle was probably much nearer Holmes' intellectual equal than Moffat & Co. are to their Sherlock.