Giles, if you would like to get by in American society, then you are going to have to follow our traditions. You're the patriarch. You have to host the festivities, or it's all meaningless.

Buffy ,'Sleeper'


Procedurals 1: Anything You Say Can and Will Be Used Against You.

This thread is for procedural TV, shows where the primary idea is to figure out the case. [NAFDA]


le nubian - May 20, 2012 4:04:35 am PDT #8933 of 11831
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

I agree. 100%. This red john mess has gotten WAY old and I don't like what it has done to Jane's character. I can't root for Jane any longer. His behavior isn't cute.

It also is a mystery why law enforcement would be working with Red John. Why? Why would other free thinking adults be working with RJ? I would like to believe that the average adult is not interested in being involved with a serial killer. So what exactly is RJ's draw?

When you know what despicable things he has done?

At the very least, I would be waiting for when I was going to die because his acolytes don't live until their 80s.


Zenkitty - May 20, 2012 11:06:45 am PDT #8934 of 11831
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

I really wish Bradley Whitford had just been Red John.

In my head the show ended there.


Typo Boy - May 20, 2012 8:57:22 pm PDT #8935 of 11831
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Sherlock: Of course plot logic is not the show strong point, but still... Isn't Mycroft as good at deduction as Sherlock (or better)? Isn't he as much a sociopath? (See discussion about "caring" in ep 2.1 ?) So can Sherlock really break Moriarity where Mycroft couldn't? I guess we could argue, especially given the "bless you" that Moriarity was looking for an excuse to suicide, out of desperate boredom.

Also I'll be curious to see if explanation of how Sherlock survived the fall manages to avoid having gaping holes you could drive a whole fleet of London taxis through.


Typo Boy - May 20, 2012 9:02:31 pm PDT #8936 of 11831
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Also, if Moriarity and Sherlock really share the view that people are ants or lapdogs or whatever, Moriarity made a stupid life choice. Even from the point of few of interest in life: it is really easy to smash an ant farm and crush the ants, or murder a lapdog if you are sufficiently heartless. Keeping an ant farm thriving, or a lapdog alive and well and happy is much more of a challenge. If Moriarity really wanted to avoid that terrible boredom, he should have been on the "side of the angels".

[edit] Not that Sherlock actually has that view. At this point, as M took advantage of, he has three friends he cares enough about to die for. And I don't think it is just the affection one has for a pet (though that can be damn strong). Sherlock is not neurotypical, but I doubt the "sociopath" classification applies any more, if it ever did.


sumi - May 21, 2012 5:28:40 am PDT #8937 of 11831
Art Crawl!!!

So peeps: did Molly provide a body to "be" Sherlock? And how in the world was the switch managed if that was the case?


Tom Scola - May 21, 2012 5:31:32 am PDT #8938 of 11831
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

did Molly provide a body to "be" Sherlock?

That’s my guess. I’m also surmising that she is the one who did the autopsy.


§ ita § - May 21, 2012 8:58:46 am PDT #8939 of 11831
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Keeping an ant farm thriving, or a lapdog alive and well and happy is much more of a challenge

You're assuming that the methods chosen for destruction are straightforward. Which is not very Moriarty at all. I mean, he could have just shot Sherlock if he was really doing the analog of smashing an ant farm. However, tricking a lapdog into killing itself sounds more tricky and less monotonous than tossing food at it twice a day.


DebetEsse - May 21, 2012 9:25:09 am PDT #8940 of 11831
Woe to the fucking wicked.

I tend to be in the camp that Sherlock jumped t insert handwavium to be explained in 3/1 and was on the sidewalk when John got there. However, if anyone is actually in the ground, then it's not Sherlock (I like the poetry of it being Jim). I think the key aspects that Molly managed were "doing the autopsy" and "identifying the body"


Typo Boy - May 21, 2012 10:15:17 am PDT #8941 of 11831
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Didn't Watson make it to the body and see Sherlock's face? I guess plastic surgery on corpse is easier than on a live person cause you can use that filler stuff morticians use.


Typo Boy - May 21, 2012 10:58:12 am PDT #8942 of 11831
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

In terms of pets - a heck of a lot more to them than feeding them twice a day.

In terms of survival. People do survive falls from great heights. One secret - being relaxed which Sherlock could manage. A second: land on your feet, bend your knees and roll. Did we see how Sherlock landed? I seem to remember him landing flat. Third secret: land on something soft or at least springy. Sherlock landed on a concrete sidewalk. Maybe Sherlock had mat there that only looked like part of the sidewalk. So - did we see him land or did the camera pan away at impace. Because if we did not see him land he could have met all three criteria for survival of a fall from a great height.

He could have made himself up between death of M and his jump to look like corpse. And as others have said Molly could have taken care of autopsy and finding Sherlock substitute to bury. If the camera panned away at the key moment, not all that much handwavium needed - at least not by standards of this series.