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Procedurals 1: Anything You Say Can and Will Be Used Against You.

This thread is for procedural TV, shows where the primary idea is to figure out the case. [NAFDA]


Vonnie K - Nov 30, 2011 9:17:45 am PST #8451 of 11831
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

There are more interesting and creative ways of giving your hero/heroine angst aside from fridging. Like Charlie Crews being incarcerated for 12 years for murders he did not commit. Reese's substance abuse problem (MAN, I miss Life.) Olivia Dunham has a dead mother in this universe and a dead sister in the other one, but she never lets that define her. The complexities of what drives Raylan Givens in Justified. SARAH freakin' CONNOR.


§ ita § - Nov 30, 2011 9:35:39 am PST #8452 of 11831
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I love an interestingly handled substance abuse problem. I know some people don't like that in/about Leverage, but I adore it. Much more than the dead son.

And don't get me started about Dean Winchester's substance abuse. Fucking adore. I just worry they're going to fix him this season. I like him broken.


Kathy A - Nov 30, 2011 11:58:00 am PST #8453 of 11831
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

I like it when Reid makes subtle references to his substance abuse on CM (although this season's throwing it at JJ after Prentiss's return was not subtle and I didn't care for that reference as much).

They do a good job with giving him angst without making it all about a woman. Well, actually, it is mostly about a woman, just his mom instead of a love interest.


Ginger - Nov 30, 2011 12:14:09 pm PST #8454 of 11831
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

I have a theory that procedurals should be about 5% personal lives of the good guys and 95% stuff that moves the story forward. I miss the best days of Law & Order, when admissibility of evidence was often a plot point and the good guys sometimes lost.

While the people killed in Person of Interest may be the bad guys, it's still vigilantism, and sometimes based on rather thin evidence.


Connie Neil - Nov 30, 2011 12:18:36 pm PST #8455 of 11831
brillig

when admissibility of evidence was often a plot point and the good guys sometimes lost.

Now that would be interesting.


Toddson - Nov 30, 2011 12:18:54 pm PST #8456 of 11831
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

I think we've gone through a long period of cops going outside the boundaries of the law because they KNOW the guy's guilty even though they can't prove it legally. So they're all righteous because the guy's guilty, guilty, guilty. But there's little consideration of what if the guy's not guilty or of the collateral damage done along the way.


le nubian - Nov 30, 2011 12:30:02 pm PST #8457 of 11831
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Ginger,

POI doesn't start with the premise of people killing folks. I am pretty sure no one gets dead on the show unless they try to kill Linus or Jesus or the person either one is protecting.

They don't aim to kill people. They don't exactly bring in law enforcement in a timely fashion either, but I don't think of them as murderers.


le nubian - Nov 30, 2011 12:30:29 pm PST #8458 of 11831
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Regardless, I agree about L&O. You are my L&O buddy around here.


§ ita § - Nov 30, 2011 12:42:53 pm PST #8459 of 11831
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I miss the best days of Law & Order, when admissibility of evidence was often a plot point and the good guys sometimes lost.

They were doing that up until the final season, I'm sure. Probably 20%?


Vonnie K - Nov 30, 2011 1:00:09 pm PST #8460 of 11831
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

Sniff. I miss Connie and Mike. I heard that Rubirosa went to L&O LA before its ignominious cancellation but whatever. In my head canon, she stayed in New York and they continued to work together while having flashes of marvellous UST.