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Procedurals 1: Anything You Say Can and Will Be Used Against You.

This thread is for procedural TV, shows where the primary idea is to figure out the case. [NAFDA]


Ginger - Jan 02, 2011 5:09:39 pm PST #6723 of 11837
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

A bumbling Watson is one of my pet peeves. Watson is the point of view of the intelligent reader; Holmes is brilliant in contrast.


Connie Neil - Jan 02, 2011 5:13:29 pm PST #6724 of 11837
brillig

The man was a warzone surgeon, such men aren't normally bumblers.


DebetEsse - Jan 02, 2011 5:30:47 pm PST #6725 of 11837
Woe to the fucking wicked.

I agree. That's something that the recent movie (as well as House, if we're reading broadly) did really well, although I think the series' Watson may win at BAMF over all others. Apparently, we are anti-bumbling-sidekick, as a general ethos (looking at Doctor Who supports this generalization: they've consistently had the new companions and allies be competent. Well, as long as we don't look at Torchwood.)

Cass, what did you think of Moriarty? I assume that the name was familiar from the beginning, just from a general knowledge PoV, but, was he in the ballpark of what you expected, going in?


Cass - Jan 02, 2011 6:09:31 pm PST #6726 of 11837
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

Moriarty's name was somehow familiar to me but I knew ~nothing~ going in and had no expectations.

His youth didn't bother me. It is the age of the geek and he stayed techno-based enough for that to work for me.

It was a little odd that he was nebulously evil and so fixated on his game with Sherlock but then Sherlock was pretty fixated on solving crimes for the police who treated him with mostly disdain. So it balanced. Accept one, accept the other.

I did like him playing with Sherlock in the lab scene in Great Game. He was evil, but I dug him.


Connie Neil - Jan 02, 2011 6:11:49 pm PST #6727 of 11837
brillig

I don't like this Moriarty. Canon Moriarty is cunning and ruthless and brilliant. This Moriarty is batshit nuts.


DebetEsse - Jan 02, 2011 6:39:19 pm PST #6728 of 11837
Woe to the fucking wicked.

I think I'm a little jealous.

I see your point on the "accept one, accept the other." He's definitely the Evil Twin (I'm debating whether you have to throw a bit of Mycroft in there, to account for the "fingers everywhere" sort of thing, but I'm not actually sure that that's necessary).

Especially given the backstory we get with the drowning, it seems like Sherlock's relationship with the police evolved out of a bored game of Someone's Wrong on the Internet in the Newspaper, and I Must Correct Them. It's unfortunate, on this front at least, that all three of the cases had Moriarty connections, since that ought to mean that we saw a higher caliber of interesting cases than might be normal. If he really is a high-functioning sociopath, you have to wonder where his moral compass, such as it is, comes from. I could definitely see him saying, "yes, but crime is boring: a never-ending, 'oh, look, I didn't get caught'."(Which goes a decent way into explaining why Moriarty got fixated on him). Whereas, with crime-solving, you do get the "a-ha!" moment of catching the criminal.


Cass - Jan 02, 2011 7:06:38 pm PST #6729 of 11837
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

I think I'm a little jealous.

There are total perks to my knowing that the 'verse exists but really having no idea beyond that.

I'm debating whether you have to throw a bit of Mycroft in there

More Mycroft. Mmmmm, Mycroft. I totally bought him as "omg, this is the evil mastermind who is against Sherlock" at the very beginning of his introduction scene. And, as much as I was initially misdirected, that scene still is perfect on rewatch when I know what is going on. With new little things to notice each and every time I watch. Mmmmmm, Mycroft. I will read ... well, anything ... if I am promised there is good Mycroft.

it seems like Sherlock's relationship with the police evolved out of a bored game of Someone's Wrong on the Internet in the Newspaper, and I Must Correct Them.

It does read like that coming to the series new. And I can see where Moriarty (and Sherlock) get off on the "game" between them. Too smart for anyone's good, including the public's really.


victor infante - Jan 03, 2011 6:57:36 am PST #6730 of 11837
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Has anyone else watched both the "Sherlock" episodes that were aired on "Masterpiece Mystery," and then the versions on the DVD set? The edits make a BIG difference. For one, it's more clear that Sherlock's figured out it's the cabbie earlier, and the cabbie's connection to Moriarty is more spelled out. It's one of the few instances where I actually preferred the DVD edit to what I saw originally. (These edits may have aired in the UK. I don't know.)


Zenkitty - Jan 03, 2011 7:05:06 am PST #6731 of 11837
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Holmes wouldn't have Watson around if Watson were a bumbler.


Cass - Jan 03, 2011 10:55:36 am PST #6732 of 11837
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

That's what aired on BBC and what was floating around through nefarious sources, Victor. Yeah, the cuts were NOT GOOD. My reactions are based on the full eps because the cuts really took a lot away.