Illyria: We cling to what is gone. Is there anything in this life but grief? Wesley: There's love. There's hope...for some. There's hope that you'll find something worthy...that your life will lead you to some joy...that after everything...you can still be surprised. Illyria: Is that enough? Is that enough to live on?

'Shells'


Procedurals 1: Anything You Say Can and Will Be Used Against You.

This thread is for procedural TV, shows where the primary idea is to figure out the case. [NAFDA]


Barb - Dec 09, 2010 9:50:06 am PST #6641 of 11838
“Not dead yet!”

I need to find out who wrote this ep of CM and smack them straight upside the head. Seriously? That was some massive 2x4ish storytelling with a healthy dose of Mary Sue.

I liked the actress and even the character well enough (facially she actually reminded me a bit of Elle), but she really wasn't given much to work with.


Vortex - Dec 09, 2010 10:39:41 am PST #6642 of 11838
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I thought that the character was very uneven. How does a recruit who runs the obstacle course in her spare time and got a concussion in hand to hand combat not be able to handle an unsub that she knows is dangerous? It's not even like he caught her by surprise.

I will be very upset if the whitefont comes true I dislike that actress, I didn't mind her in the Inside, since her annoying demeanor worked with the character, but I will have to bitchslap Eddie personally if he keeps her on. Seriously.


Cass - Dec 09, 2010 11:55:24 am PST #6643 of 11838
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

(facially she actually reminded me a bit of Elle)

Action-wise she did too. Which is probably why I feel so icky.

Because while strong female agents would be yay, women who do stupid things and then need to be rescued by the mens is less yay.

If it was Garcia, sure. She's not a field agent. But show me someone who is supposed to run the course, be strong and be a survivor and then she's whoopsie trapped by a bad guy she specifically should have been able to at least feel unsure about? Not loving it. At least they made her young so that's a little handwave.

Eh.


Maria - Dec 09, 2010 1:57:55 pm PST #6644 of 11838
Not so nice is that I'm about to ruin a Friday morning for a bunch of people because of a series of unfortunate events and an upset foreign government. - shrift

I need to find out who wrote this ep of CM and smack them straight upside the head.

None other than Mr. Bernero himself.

How does a recruit who runs the obstacle course in her spare time and got a concussion in hand to hand combat not be able to handle an unsub that she knows is dangerous?

I get that, but then the more I thought about it the more I came to understand her actual reaction. Her badassery has only been in training, and I'm surmising she's never faced a real-life situation. When she finally is in a life-and-death situation, it's not just your standard "I'm an FBI Agent and I don't feel like dying today" response; it's compounded by her personal history and the reason why she went to the unsub's house in the first place. Emotion overrode her training, and the only way that's acceptable is because she's still a recruit. (Of course, that opens up a whole other can of worms as to why a recruit is with the BAU.) So yes, I can understand why she didn't do what she's been trained to do. Doesn't mean I like it.


§ ita § - Dec 09, 2010 2:08:43 pm PST #6645 of 11838
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Yeah, the idea that a recruit needs to be rescued--I'd rather that, than she be some actual Mary Sue with awesome powers. I don't think she was Mary Sue at all. She had a special and tormented past, but she didn't twig onto what was happening all that super fast, she wasn't a closet ninja. She was reasonably flawed.


Barb - Dec 09, 2010 2:25:45 pm PST #6646 of 11838
“Not dead yet!”

None other than Mr. Bernero himself.

Bah.

I want Simon to smack him around some.

Oh, and dear God if they go down the route of Reid crushing on her, I may really have to smack a bitch, my shipping tendencies notwithstanding.


quester - Dec 09, 2010 3:35:56 pm PST #6647 of 11838
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

Weevil and Keith Mars on Bones!


DawnK - Dec 09, 2010 3:57:37 pm PST #6648 of 11838
giraffe mode

Speaking of Reid, I loved the part where he is reciting the litany of physical areas he had trouble with during training and that they had to actually make an exception for him HA!


Kathy A - Dec 09, 2010 5:12:18 pm PST #6649 of 11838
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

(Of course, that opens up a whole other can of worms as to why a recruit is with the BAU.)

Bingbingbing! This is my main issue with her character. They've at least tried to keep somewhat with FBI reality when it comes to most of the main characters' length of service before they finally got promoted to the BAU, although Reid was an exception (and I was equally glad when he mentioned just how much of an exception he was this week; I'd always suspected that Gideon cashed in a lot of favors to get him past the various FBI requirements). But, if they make her a part of the BAU right out of the academy, that's really going outside the show's fundamental parameters.


Maria - Dec 09, 2010 6:36:21 pm PST #6650 of 11838
Not so nice is that I'm about to ruin a Friday morning for a bunch of people because of a series of unfortunate events and an upset foreign government. - shrift

They've at least tried to keep somewhat with FBI reality when it comes to most of the main characters' length of service before they finally got promoted to the BAU, although Reid was an exception (and I was equally glad when he mentioned just how much of an exception he was this week; I'd always suspected that Gideon cashed in a lot of favors to get him past the various FBI requirements).

This pinged me. I can see a waiver of *some* of the requirements, but basically waiving *all* of the physical ones strains even the bounds of credulity. There's no way Reid should have ever been allowed in the field if he didn't even have a minimum proficiency in the physical aspects of the job. We all know now that Reid is a closet badass who takes (and makes) the headshot and doesn't back down from any life or death confrontation, but then, who would have known? I wouldn't have wanted him on my team or trusted him to have my back. Reid learned through on the job experience, which tells me he could have passed at least some of the academy requirements.

I know CM canon is flexible and often contradicts itself (c.f. Hotch and his amazing education and work history, not to mention his changing age), but do we know how long after the academy Reid joined the BAU?

One special flower per show I can handle, but two is too much. This is not Reid-bashing; I love the character and I think he's often the one holding the seams together by sheer force of will when everyone and everything else is falling apart.

Soooo... one episode does not a character make. I'll reserve final judgment on Ashley Seaver until I see what else the writers do with her.

edited to correct character name