Mal: You want to tell me how come there's a statue of you here looking at me like I owe him something? Jayne: Wishing I could, Captain.

'Jaynestown'


Procedurals 1: Anything You Say Can and Will Be Used Against You.

This thread is for procedural TV, shows where the primary idea is to figure out the case. [NAFDA]


le nubian - Dec 10, 2009 7:12:36 am PST #4427 of 11831
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

did anyone watch CSI:NY last night? I thought it was one of the more interesting ones in awhile, but I wish it were a two-parter. That apartment was a trip and I would have liked to find out the method to the madness of how it was organized.


sumi - Dec 10, 2009 7:18:51 am PST #4428 of 11831
Art Crawl!!!

Yes - if only they'd gone into how or why all those traps were built into it.


§ ita § - Dec 10, 2009 7:25:53 am PST #4429 of 11831
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I needed to see more about how the triggers connected to the traps opening and closing, and especially how the woman got trapped in that tank.

The why of the traps was to kill the guy that got stabbed by the angel blades, but it looked like you had to go to a fair amount of trouble to get yourself killed, so I don't see the logic. Angel's curse makes more sense than that.

Of course, I must have missed the bit where they explained why you couldn't break down the door or window and get out--was the initial dead guy trapped in that room and he thought he was getting out by reshuffling the floor tiles? Then the stabbing was a mercy, better than starving slowly to death or dying of thirst, lying in his own waste.


le nubian - Dec 10, 2009 7:47:26 am PST #4430 of 11831
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Okay, it looks like there were 3 people found in the apartment. The first guy had been there since 1930. He was killed by the angel blades and the owner of the building had likely killed him by accident and realized his good fortune and locked up the apartment with the corpse in it.

The couple got into the apartment some way, and once they found their way in, I guess the guy got into the hot room - perhaps by touching the vase. He used the phone to call out and got fried.

I suspect he was banging on the walls and his girlfriend was trying to find him, realizing the place was booby trapped and got herself caught in one. I still don't understand why she didn't just call the cops - but I guess she didn't have a cell phone on her.


Toddson - Dec 10, 2009 8:14:26 am PST #4431 of 11831
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

My understanding was that the guy from 1930 or so was the intended victim - that the man who built it had made a recording which the victim listened to, the door slammed shut, he got up to go to the door and stepped on the trigger for the angel blades. Then the inventor tucked the recording cylinder (a cylinder? in 1920s or '30s? wouldn't that have been obsolete by then?) and walked out (avoiding the triggers) and locked the place up and abandoned it. (Abandoned penthouse in NYC? hard to imagine)


le nubian - Dec 10, 2009 8:41:15 am PST #4432 of 11831
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

I thought the man who built it got trapped in his own invention. Hmm.


Toddson - Dec 10, 2009 8:46:28 am PST #4433 of 11831
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

Towards the end there was a scene with the initial victim being killed and the builder - an inventor - walking out looking smug.

The two who got trapped in the current time came in through a skylight into the utility room (which they didn't find on the first search through the apartment). The man - either before he got caught in the death trap (which is likely, since it had metal walls and probably lousy cell phone reception) or on going through the skylight - called his girlfriend for help. He got caught in the metal-sided box which roasted him to death. His girlfriend came through the skylight (they found her fingerprints on the floor of that room) and, I suppose while looking for him, got trapped in the tank of water (gee ... it held water for 80 years or so and then, with one person falling into it, immediately started leaking into the apartment downstairs).

Thinking it through, there are a number of holes in the logic, but I wish it had gone into more about the various traps and triggers and the mind and motivation of the man who built it.


le nubian - Dec 10, 2009 8:52:35 am PST #4434 of 11831
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

okay, that's clear. yeah, because it is unclear to me why someone would go to that kind of effort and expense to kill one person.


§ ita § - Dec 10, 2009 8:52:46 am PST #4435 of 11831
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The inventor wanted to punish the guy who got impaled on the angel blades. Angel blade guy had been stealing inventions from him.

And then it ceases to make much sense.

The guy who built it died of natural causes 30 years ago.

I think the realtor got into the hot room from wherever they crowbarred in from. But they never showed an access switch. The vase touching led to the room they had to reorganise to look like the portrait which then led to the hot room, so that's how they knew that was the first time that trigger had been used.


Toddson - Dec 10, 2009 10:48:57 am PST #4436 of 11831
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

There was also access to the easy-bake room through a closet - they got out of it that way.