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Procedurals 1: Anything You Say Can and Will Be Used Against You.

This thread is for procedural TV, shows where the primary idea is to figure out the case. [NAFDA]


le nubian - Oct 11, 2009 12:15:56 pm PDT #3777 of 11831
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

ita,

so, I think of "The Mentalist" is being about the alpha male having a negative opinion of most human beings and solving puzzles for/with his team.

This is "House" to me. They are set in different settings, but the misanthropy and self-hatred seems similar across both main characters.


§ ita § - Oct 11, 2009 12:22:08 pm PDT #3778 of 11831
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I don't see Jane anywhere near as misanthropic as House (witness his tenderness with Lisbon this week, for instance--I also think he helps people out of a sense of justice)--but I do see the self-hatred. However, on The Mentalist I see that stemming from the Red John trauma. On House is it just a thing, or is it tied up with his addiction issues?


Connie Neil - Oct 11, 2009 3:56:14 pm PDT #3779 of 11831
brillig

I don't think House had any great opinion of people even before the pain pills. I think he was just willing to ignore them more before his girlfriend went against his express wishes and left him crippled.


Juliebird - Oct 11, 2009 3:57:45 pm PDT #3780 of 11831
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Wasn't there an episode (the one where we find out that it was Cuddy that had ordered the surgery that removed the dead tissue from his leg) where we find out that he was a negative jerky bastard even before the pain and the addiction?


le nubian - Oct 11, 2009 4:06:29 pm PDT #3781 of 11831
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

yep.


Juliebird - Oct 11, 2009 4:10:12 pm PDT #3782 of 11831
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

I think that might have been one of the first eps that I watched, and while the storytelling was great, it turned me off of the character immediately.


beth b - Oct 11, 2009 6:29:17 pm PDT #3783 of 11831
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

Just watched House. the character of House is interesting because he is truely only motivated by one thing -- what is making this person ill. Everything else - including his addiction to drugs ( which I still question) can be dropped if an ill person goes by.

Foreman is an annoying character. he just wants to be right. So he does stupid shit. But he could be interesting if he didn't think he was a house clone. And I suspect that he could be a good diagnostician if he didn't let his ego get in the way.

This is the first episde where Chase was interesting. Even though I disagree with him

Carmen and Cuddy are the characters I really like -- mostly because them struggle with the concept of balance. A shifting question , so the answer is never static.

I'd like to see House back in charge.


le nubian - Oct 11, 2009 6:48:17 pm PDT #3784 of 11831
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

for those who like Southland and L&O:SVU, here's a new NYT article about the debacle that is NBC and how their programming decisions are having rippling effects:

[link]


sumi - Oct 12, 2009 6:19:48 am PDT #3785 of 11831
Art Crawl!!!

Huh. I wonder why episodes 2 and 3 of the season were up on demand but the premiere wasn't?


Connie Neil - Oct 12, 2009 10:59:18 am PDT #3786 of 11831
brillig

Why did Sasha Alexander (Kate) decide to leave NCIS? Or was she asked to leave?