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Procedurals 1: Anything You Say Can and Will Be Used Against You.

This thread is for procedural TV, shows where the primary idea is to figure out the case. [NAFDA]


DXMachina - Sep 27, 2016 3:54:59 pm PDT #11484 of 11831
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

NCIS is doing a very weird homage to The Breakfast Club tonight.


Steph L. - Oct 02, 2016 9:31:23 am PDT #11485 of 11831
the hardest to learn / was the least complicated

Elementary is back tonight!

(But oh, god, as an Ohioan, I fear the political ads.)


sumi - Oct 19, 2016 7:27:57 am PDT #11486 of 11831
Art Crawl!!!

On Conviction: when you see Merrin Dungey - do you think, "Oh no, they doubled Francey"?


-t - Nov 11, 2016 7:57:33 pm PST #11487 of 11831
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I'm watching Elementary from a couple weeks back. I'm also in the midst of reading Who Killed Sherlock Holmes?, which makes rather a point of Holmes' canonical ignorance of astronomy (that I otherwise would never have thought of), but now I find Sherlock expounding on asteroids a bit odd.

Some of you doubtless have more expertise in Sherlockiana, what say you?


Connie Neil - Nov 11, 2016 8:19:39 pm PST #11488 of 11831
brillig

The Sherlock in Elementary is a different beast from the canonical Sherlock. I think the BBC Sherlock is closer to canon than Elementary's Sherlock (how many times can she use his name in two sentences!)


WindSparrow - Nov 12, 2016 12:18:07 am PST #11489 of 11831
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

I think that Conan Doyle's own characterization of Holmes was less consistent than the differences between the Cumberbatch and the Miller portrayals, from one end of canon to the other. The times when Watson reports Holmes as being close to emotionless are greatly at odds with all the times when a depth of emotion, passion, and compassion escape the lid Holmes keeps on his feelings. Conan Doyle did not love his most famous creation as much as we do, he simply didn't bother with consistent characterization. From Study in Scarlet where Watson describes Holmes as someone who refuses to give room in his brain for even the most basic facts of astronomy because it doesn't matter to solving crimes to The Adventure of the Lion's Mane where Holmes claims to be "an omnivorous reader with a strangely retentive memory for trifles" is a long road in terms of both lifespan and characterization.

In creating each of these two modern interpretations of Sherlock Holmes, the BBC and the CBS productions keep and discard different facets. Elementary holds closer to canon in the realm of Holmes' psychological and moral makeup - very ethical and deeply caring while still not being remotely neurotypical - while Sherlock hews closer to canon in acknowledging that Holmes was coded as queer, whether specifically homosexual or asexual or what points precisely the Great Detective occupies on the spectrums of sexuality and desire for romantic relationships, is very open to interpretation.


DXMachina - Nov 12, 2016 3:23:12 am PST #11490 of 11831
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

There is also the fact that apart from being a criminal, Moriarty was once best known as the author of The Dynamics of an Asteroid, something that canonical Holmes surely must have read at some point.

Elementary!Sherlock mentions that yes, indeed he did think the sun revolved around the earth... when he was a boy.


Steph L. - Nov 12, 2016 5:14:38 am PST #11491 of 11831
the hardest to learn / was the least complicated

Elementary!Sherlock mentions that yes, indeed he did think the sun revolved around the earth... when he was a boy.

Man, that whole interaction was great. Plus I love Owain Yeoman.

The times when Watson reports Holmes as being close to emotionless are greatly at odds with all the times when a depth of emotion, passion, and compassion escape the lid Holmes keeps on his feelings.

One way that BBC Sherlock (the show) suffers from its format of only 3 episodes is that we don't get to see the development of Sherlock's (the character) compassion and how/when he expresses it towards people other than Watson. At least, we don't see it as well as Elementary has been able to do it, because they just passed 100 episodes. That's a whole different creature that allows for a lot of character development, which I think the show and JLM have done beautifully.


Connie Neil - Nov 12, 2016 8:02:01 am PST #11492 of 11831
brillig

I'm obviously going to have to give Elementary another try.

I've often figured canon Holmes asexual as well. Watson hoped he'd take an interest in a female client who proved more resourceful than usual, but Holmes referred to her concern as brotherly. And I think his attraction to Irene was more respect for her mind and gumption.


Steph L. - Nov 12, 2016 8:07:36 am PST #11493 of 11831
the hardest to learn / was the least complicated

I'm obviously going to have to give Elementary another try.

The beginning of S1 is kind of bland procedural-ish, and it's weird to see Sherlock Holmes transplanted to NYC, but after about 4 or 5 episodes, it really picks up. And what they did with Moriarty was sheer fucking genius.