I did not like this week's Elementary, I like Lucy Liu, and I like Joan Watson, but this episode pushed her into Mary Sue territory.
Jayne: There's times I think you don't take me seriously. I think that ought to change. Mal: Do you think it's likely to?
'Our Mrs. Reynolds'
Procedurals 1: Anything You Say Can and Will Be Used Against You.
This thread is for procedural TV, shows where the primary idea is to figure out the case. [NAFDA]
Tom Scola - Feb 07, 2014 2:10:27 am PST #10459 of 11831
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.
le nubian - Feb 07, 2014 11:00:07 am PST #10460 of 11831
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."
you aren't the only one. I've seen other complaints.
-t - Feb 08, 2014 1:48:22 pm PST #10461 of 11831
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
I don't know if Mary Sue-ness is the exact problem I have. She's got more backstory than she needs, which might amount to the same thing.
Tom Scola - Feb 08, 2014 1:56:20 pm PST #10462 of 11831
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.
It's that the new backstory doesn't add anything to the character, other than to make her seem more saintly, and to elicit sympathy from the viewers, which really wasn't necessary.
I have enough faith in the writers for Elementary that I'm pretty sure that this is just a blip, and not an ongoing direction for the show.
billytea - Feb 13, 2014 2:15:33 am PST #10463 of 11831
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.
I'm currently watching the wedding episode of Sherlock. That part of the speech, where he's babbling on to mask that he's trying to work out who's going to get murdered - he sounded and acted exactly like the Eleventh Doctor.
P.M. Marc - Feb 13, 2014 8:19:18 am PST #10464 of 11831
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
You think? I think Eleven is far kinder in his babbles when he's trying to figure something out. Rapid-fire, but less... Sherlock.
P.M. Marc - Feb 13, 2014 8:19:41 am PST #10465 of 11831
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
(I've been mainlining Eleven again. It happens.)
billytea - Feb 13, 2014 10:04:03 am PST #10466 of 11831
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.
You think? I think Eleven is far kinder in his babbles when he's trying to figure something out. Rapid-fire, but less... Sherlock.
Absolutely. Sherlock wasn't being unkind in that portion of the speech either. And the rapid-fire delivery, flappy hands, finishing sentences in places far removed from their original destination, all quintessential Eleven.
billytea - Feb 13, 2014 12:55:59 pm PST #10467 of 11831
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.
What I find interesting about it is not that Sherlock suddenly channeled Eleven. They're written by the same person, after all. What I found interesting was why Sherlock was doing so. Per his orders from Head!Mycroft (there's no doubt a thesis or two to be penned about Sherlock picturing and accepting Mycroft in that role), he was doing so to keep control of the room. (Not his usual intent. He can normally act as though that's a given.) The way to do that, apparently, is flappy hands and babbling. Which of course is why Eleven does it too.
Frankenbuddha - Feb 13, 2014 7:15:25 pm PST #10468 of 11831
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
I really need to catch up on (as in see any of) Elementary, because the Who=Holmes has been a thing with me with Sherlock since I started watching. And I suspect it's on some level it was a thing that influnced Doctor Who from the get go; it's just now a little more explicit.