Mal: Well, you were right about this being a bad idea. Zoe: Thanks for sayin', sir.

'Serenity'


Procedurals 1: Anything You Say Can and Will Be Used Against You.

This thread is for procedural TV, shows where the primary idea is to figure out the case. [NAFDA]


EpicTangent - Oct 18, 2013 3:45:34 pm PDT #10170 of 11831
Why isn't everyone pelting me with JOY, dammit? - Zenkitty

Or Craigslist.


WindSparrow - Oct 18, 2013 4:15:14 pm PDT #10171 of 11831
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

But it would be hella fun on Yahoo!Answers.

Andi, I think your underlying point stands, but you should be aware that there's a dynamic between the Elementary and Sherlock fandoms that Elementary fans use terms like "less human" to describe Sherlock's Sherlock, which is really hurtful/alienating/off-putting to fans who identify with that portrayal (particularly fans who are on the autism spectrum, so there are able-ism/anti-neurodiversity undertones to the conversation). I'm not accusing you of that: just warning you that you're treading close to some sore subjects (which, IMO, have soured some people on a show that they'd really like if not for parts of the fandom)

Debet, thank you for the heads-up. I was unaware of that element of friction between the two fandoms. Goodness knows that there are aspects of other fandoms which would have run me away from their respective shows if I found it difficult to disengage from the fandom. Having spent 13 of 14 years of my career providing support for persons with autism in their daily lives, I am much better aware than most people of the complexity of their minds (no matter how much or how little they express in ways that neurotypical people can understand). It would grieve me to inadvertently hurt someone by being unaware of the nuances of the conversation.

It's been a long time since I sat in front of Jeremy Brett with Conan Doyle open in my lap like an English major with Shakespeare in the theater. There were epic debates between me and my history/poli-sci roommate in college re: Brett vs. Rathbone. The fact that I am watching and enjoying three of the more recent interpretations of Sherlock Holmes is of great wonderment to me. The element of alternate universes (in the case of RDJ's Holmes, very altered) is fascinating - looking at how the interpretations change different aspects of characterization especially. I hesitated to try watching Elementary because I found Sherlock so compelling. But I am glad that I did, and like them both. Sherlock may well be the more perilously brilliant, a brighter star burning faster. But Elementary has its own vision and it coheres beautifully.


Jesse - Oct 18, 2013 4:25:51 pm PDT #10172 of 11831
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

On the most minor of notes, I like that you see Sherlock working out on Elementary. People on TV always have great bodies, but are rarely actually exercising.


DebetEsse - Oct 18, 2013 4:32:36 pm PDT #10173 of 11831
Woe to the fucking wicked.

No worries. I assumed that was the case.

I was talking to someone...MiracleMan, possibly. Or maybe my brother...about how the new series take different aspects of the canonical character to bring to the forefront, usually at the cost of another aspect of the character, so you get these highly divergent portrayals that are all legitimately rooted in the Doyle.


Connie Neil - Oct 18, 2013 5:22:07 pm PDT #10174 of 11831
brillig

Doyle disliked Holmes. I wonder what he would think of today's veneration? Or, knowing him, he'd be utterly delighted at the financial success.


DebetEsse - Oct 19, 2013 6:06:10 am PDT #10175 of 11831
Woe to the fucking wicked.

Right. There's definitely a degree to which it's not so much nuanced portrayal as shoddy characterization continuity based on utter disdain for the character.

It amuses the shit out of me.


§ ita § - Oct 19, 2013 10:14:56 am PDT #10176 of 11831
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I wonder what he would think of today's veneration?

Wasn't unrepentant veneration what forced him to resurrect him in the first place? I expect he'd just be tired...


quester - Oct 20, 2013 10:18:32 am PDT #10177 of 11831
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

I don't know if anyone still watches SVU. I don't, but the latest episode had John Munch's retirement. It's the opening scene and the closing scene with a dreary regular episode in beteeen.

There were a couple of lovely Homicide flash-backs and call-backs.

Also, Richard Beltzer bears a strong resemblance to Joe the Camel.


erikaj - Oct 20, 2013 11:39:40 am PDT #10178 of 11831
Always Anti-fascist!

May have to watch that one. Yes, as he's gotten older, he got camelly.


Typo Boy - Oct 21, 2013 10:09:49 pm PDT #10179 of 11831
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Latest Castle: OK the strong indications that this week that we were dealing with real time travelers should have made this a fun episode. And yet, I found it one of the least fun episodes in a long time even less fun than Beckett in DC. Is it just my bad mood, or were none of the jokes funny? And the chemistry between Beckett and Castle seemed almost non-existent. Castles enthusiasm for woo-woo in the fact of grotesque murder seem more grating to me than it usually does. And the "it was really time travel - maybe" did not save it for me. I have been in a really bad mood lately, so is it just my not being in the mood for whimsy or did this episode seem really off to anyone besides me?