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Procedurals 1: Anything You Say Can and Will Be Used Against You.

This thread is for procedural TV, shows where the primary idea is to figure out the case. [NAFDA]


erikaj - Oct 04, 2013 5:50:54 am PDT #10096 of 11831
Always Anti-fascist!

Here is my post about Ironside. [link] now I'm wondering why reading that didn't bug me that much about Ironside, but I read a recent story about Lincoln Rhyme(from the movie The Bone Collector") and there was a section about how his recent surgery had improved his arms and hands that made me feel like I was going to strain my eyes rolling them. I guess because Jeffrey Deaver is really trying to be gritty and real and then there's, like, this experimental surgery like in a soap opera(Maybe he even got it done in Moldavia) I usually give shows a few episodes before deciding if I like them.


Tom Scola - Oct 04, 2013 1:56:39 pm PDT #10097 of 11831
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

Elementary: I've never seen a TV show explain graduate-school level math, and get it pretty much correct like that before.


Typo Boy - Oct 04, 2013 2:07:37 pm PDT #10098 of 11831
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Since my math is not at that level I was wondering about that. Quite surprised to hear they got it mostly right, given the simpler stuff they get wrong.


DebetEsse - Oct 04, 2013 2:22:14 pm PDT #10099 of 11831
Woe to the fucking wicked.

I was wondering, too (Actually, about the math actually on the walls, but still). I enjoyed it enough to not regret staying up past my bedtime to watch it live


§ ita § - Oct 05, 2013 1:08:27 pm PDT #10100 of 11831
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I was impressed by the simplicity of how they stated real world implications. I have very few plotlines batting around in my head, but the "this abstract sounding maths that pros wank to will have this impact on your life" seems to get pulled off so poorly so often.


Tom Scola - Oct 05, 2013 1:18:50 pm PDT #10101 of 11831
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

Well, if you can prove that P = NP, it would mean that most existing encryption could be broken, but it doesn't necessarily follow that you could instantly crack any arbitrary computer. Also, it is far more likely that P ≠ NP, but that hasn't been proven, either.


§ ita § - Oct 05, 2013 2:54:32 pm PDT #10102 of 11831
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

if you can prove that P = NP, it would mean that most existing encryption could be broken

That's the part that impressed me with the transition from abstract to "why anyone might care". The rest of the plot details were random cracker magic, and as far as I was unconcerned just an indication that a master hacker was in the house.

Until P != NP, isn't either direction fair fodder for TV plots?


Tom Scola - Oct 05, 2013 3:11:02 pm PDT #10103 of 11831
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

Until P != NP, isn't either direction fair fodder for TV plots?

Well, technically, yes, but if you ask mathematicians to bet on which one will turn out to be true, most will put their money on P ≠ NP.


§ ita § - Oct 05, 2013 3:48:07 pm PDT #10104 of 11831
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

If we start limiting fiction plots to what people bet would probably happen, how different the landscape would be.


Vortex - Oct 06, 2013 10:58:17 am PDT #10105 of 11831
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I think that Person of Interest should stay in Procedurals. Although it now has Boxed Set elements, that's not how it started. Also, I think that it would be confusing to have the back and forth where we comment one place if it's a Machine thing and another if it's a procedural element.