Don't belong. Dangerous, like you. Can't be controlled. Can't be trusted. Everyone could just go on without me and not have to worry. People could be what they wanted to be. Could be with the people they wanted. Live simple. No secrets.

River ,'Objects In Space'


Comedy 1: A Little Song, a Little Dance, a Little Seltzer Down Your Pants

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§ ita § - May 19, 2012 12:45:49 pm PDT #5648 of 8625
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

What's to be resolved in 13 episodes?

At the most simple--graduating any or all of them from school seems the most obvious.

But I couldn't have imagined one single episode of this show, so I'm not going to say that any idea of mine is at all relevant. I just think that giving any writing crew a clearer idea of when their last episode is, as well as giving time to work up to it is never a bad thing.

The back half of this season was written (and filmed) into a vacuum. This is less of one.


-t - May 19, 2012 12:52:37 pm PDT #5649 of 8625
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I don't know, if this is what they do in a vacuum, maybe more vacuum is the way to go.

But I think I'm confusing what you originally meant. I was taking "Now they'll have time to end properly" as the motivation for the 13 episode order, which I can't see, but if it is just that having a final 13 episodes will allow for a tidy wrapping up, then I am understanding.


§ ita § - May 19, 2012 2:01:52 pm PDT #5650 of 8625
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Most of the articles I've read have said that the 13 ep order will give them a chance to write to a deliberate end. NBC doesn't give a fuck, but the writers are now afforded that opportunity.


-t - May 19, 2012 2:13:32 pm PDT #5651 of 8625
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

OK. I still don't find that a comforting thought, but I get the concept.


Steph L. - May 19, 2012 2:23:05 pm PDT #5652 of 8625
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

What's to be resolved in 13 episodes?

At the most simple--graduating any or all of them from school seems the most obvious.

That, plus Jeff and his dad, which has been teased all 3 seasons. (Though without Harmon, that might be a plot line that's dropped.) Maybe Jeff and Annie will hook up.


§ ita § - May 19, 2012 3:30:08 pm PDT #5653 of 8625
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think Troy and Britta are more in need of resolution right now. Jeff and Annie are in a stable place right now, as I see it. Troy and Britta are teetering on the edge of something undefined.


Steph L. - May 19, 2012 3:38:20 pm PDT #5654 of 8625
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Oooh, that, too.


Tom Scola - May 22, 2012 2:11:57 pm PDT #5655 of 8625
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

Interesting perspective on the Harmon situation: [link]


§ ita § - May 22, 2012 2:27:55 pm PDT #5656 of 8625
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I like that post. It's reasonable and sounds like they know what they're talking about. It's dispiriting how many commenters I saw taking extreme positions while conflating Sony and NBC (not even presuming collusion, just not distinguishing between the two relationships to the show).


-t - May 22, 2012 2:40:38 pm PDT #5657 of 8625
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I know that's a mistake I was making, conflating the two. And sorting that out made everything make a lot more sense. That post is very clear and agrees with a lot of the conclusions I've been coming to, and I always like that.

I'm very pleased that Megan Ganz seems to be sticking around, she wrote some great episodes - Lupine Urology and at least one other standout, I think.

Really, I'm still sad that Harmon won't get a chance to surprise me by making an even better 4th season (and by better I mean more satisfying and rewarding to me personally) than 3rd season, but I have to recognize that it would have been a surprise just because this 3rd season was so damn good.