Fred: So you don't worry that it's possible for someone to send out a biological or electronic trigger that effectively overrides your own sense of ideals and values and replaces them with an alternative coercive agenda that reduces you to a mindless meat puppet? Shopkeeper: Wow. People used to think that I was paranoid.

'Time Bomb'


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DavidS - Jul 11, 2011 10:10:26 am PDT #4207 of 8625
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Seriously, you're expending a whole lot of effort defending your right to say something that has a good chance of being offensive, depending on your audience.

I guess I don't really have anything else to say on the issue.

I tried to discuss it without rancor and articulate my process and concerns with culling language.

For you it's simply a matter of whether the word might be offensive and that's enough. For me that's not the end of the argument, but I don't need to pursue it further.


§ ita § - Jul 11, 2011 10:17:27 am PDT #4208 of 8625
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I tried to discuss it without rancor and articulate my process and concerns with culling language.

Defending your right to be deeply offensive in calm tones doesn't mean you're not, you know, deeply offensive.

Man, if only we had a word that meant "gyp" pretty much exactly, and didn't tie back even theoretically to negative ethnic stereotypes. If only.

English is so synonym poor.


Aims - Jul 11, 2011 10:40:13 am PDT #4209 of 8625
Shit's all sorts of different now.

I have to admit, I don't necessarily like the *idea* of coming at language from a *might* offend someone standpoint, however two things:

a) I am coming at that from a place of privelege of being white, middle class, and American. So while I may not like it, there is, for me, a certain responsibility I have to be more cognizant of the words I choose.

b) self-editing specific words to err on the side of not offending is, again - just to me, on the same level of not discussing certain topics with certain people because I know that there is a sensitivity, an opposing viewpoint (if past experience has shown neither side can argue logically and openly about it), etc.

But I do wonder if sometimes we (the general "we") can look for offensive meanings and/or place offense on words that mightn't have been there or not currently there in the word's common usage?


Steph L. - Jul 11, 2011 10:54:44 am PDT #4210 of 8625
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

But I do wonder if sometimes we (the general "we") can look for offensive meanings and/or place offense on words that mightn't have been there or not currently there in the word's common usage?

I think that happens. But I also think what's happening is that marginalized groups have been speaking up more, to say, Hey, you know what? Using this term that applies to us as a pejorative to mean "bad" (like "lame") isn't really cool. I think that the existence of the Interwebs, for one thing, allows for more communication on things like that (marginalized groups speaking up), and so it can seem like suddenly everyone has an objection. But really, the objection was probably always there, just never voiced in such a widespread way.


Aims - Jul 11, 2011 10:57:19 am PDT #4211 of 8625
Shit's all sorts of different now.

That totally makes sense.


Steph L. - Jul 11, 2011 11:00:45 am PDT #4212 of 8625
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

You let every yahoo have an internet connection, and then they start complaining.

We never should have let the wimmins learn to read.

Wait.


Aims - Jul 11, 2011 11:01:41 am PDT #4213 of 8625
Shit's all sorts of different now.

The owners of Yahoo have an issue with you calling goofy (and/or ignorant people) "yahoos".

Wimmins - I have no issue with. Ha.


Steph L. - Jul 11, 2011 11:03:17 am PDT #4214 of 8625
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

The owners of Yahoo have an issue with you calling goofy (and/or ignorant people) "yahoos".

Nah, I meant that the owners of Yahoo are goofy.

OR DID I?!?

Wimmins - I have no issue with. Ha.

Totally should never have taught us the alphabet. Or the cipherin'.


Aims - Jul 11, 2011 11:05:59 am PDT #4215 of 8625
Shit's all sorts of different now.

Cipherin' - that when ya git the gas from the tractor to the truck, right?

Funniest conversation I ever had? My cousins delineating the heirarchy (sp?) of redneck, hillbilly, hilljack, and white trash. My cousins put themselves firmly in the redneck category because while they may hunt and chew tobacco, they do not let any broken down vehicle sit on their land for more than the two days it might take to get the wrecker out to their place AND (this one killed me) - they let the dogs sleep indoors.


Steph L. - Jul 11, 2011 11:09:28 am PDT #4216 of 8625
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

My cousins delineating the heirarchy (sp?) of redneck, hillbilly, hilljack, and white trash.

That sounds like a conversation my brother and I need to hear. I believe we are rednecks, though Our People are hillbillies.