But for words like "gypped", I would venture to say that common usage does not define it as having to do with and or pertaining to the Roma.

I don't understand how it doesn't. Most people are familiar with the word "Gypsy," which is used to refer to Romani, Irish Travellers, etc. "Gyp" is used as a derogatory term to mean swindle, steal, cheat, con, etc., which is a stereotype pretty well-established with that group. How is using the first syllable of "Gypsy" *not* related to Gypsies/Romani/Travellers?

I can see where the word "crazy" can be sensitive, but in my mind it's not incorrect to cal Tom Cruise crazy, but to call somebody who actually is struggling with manic depression crazy. I feel like the term has always been somewhat pejorative, so it should only be used in pejorative situations. This is very distinct from the word "retarded," which began as a perfectly valid medical term.

I'm not sure what distinction you're making here w/r/t "crazy" and "retarded." It's okay to use "crazy" as slang because it's never had a medical-textbook clinical usage, but it's not okay to use "retarded" as slang because it did have medical-textbook clincal usage? (I'm not challenging you here; I'm just not clear on what you're saying.)

Perhaps that makes me an ableist douchebag, but so be it. (Not saying anyone here would think that of me, but, oh, some of the more passionate members of the Mark Watches community, damn.)

Shakesville is down to about 25 non-offensive terms (that's unkind of me to say, but I am amazed at things they either ban or include trigger warnings for). That's probably where I first read about "crazy." It seemed kind of ridiculous at first, but I do also see where the connotations are damaging to people with mental illness.

I know language is a changing thing ("literally" notwithstanding, god damn it), but I also want to not give offense if it's avoidable. I don't personally feel the richness of my vocabulary and ability to communicate is hampered by not using "gyp" or trying to winnow "crazy" out. (Although, again, that is REALLY fucking hard.)

Another habit I have, which causes me a lot of shame, is calling people pussies. Yikes. Or "don't be such a GIRL!" Gotta stop that, god DAMN.

But for words like "gypped", I would venture to say that common usage does not define it as having to do with and or pertaining to the Roma.

I don't understand how it doesn't. Most people are familiar with the word "Gypsy," which is used to refer to Romani, Irish Travellers, etc. "Gyp" is used as a derogatory term to mean swindle, steal, cheat, con, etc., which is a stereotype pretty well-established with that group. How is using the first syllable of "Gypsy" *not* related to Gypsies/Romani/Travellers?

I did stop using it once I knew, but I am pretty sure that I found out sometime in the last 10 years that the word wasn't "jipped" and I was actually unfamiliar with the stereotype- I thought of Gypsies as fun loving people who liked to tell fortunes! I think I was living under a rock, because I also thought that you "chewed" someone down.

Another habit I have, which causes me a lot of shame, is calling people pussies. Yikes. Or "don't be such a GIRL!" Gotta stop that, god DAMN.

When a situation arises such as that, I like "big ball of bitch", as in "don't be a"

What's the etymology of wus or wussies? That could be a reasonable sub, maybe.

I don't understand how it doesn't. Most people are familiar with the word "Gypsy," which is used to refer to Romani, Irish Travellers, etc. "Gyp" is used as a derogatory term to mean swindle, steal, cheat, con, etc., which is a stereotype pretty well-established with that group. How is using the first syllable of "Gypsy" *not* related to Gypsies/Romani/Travellers?

Honestly? I like to think of myself as a fairly intelligent person (albeit flighty) and it never occurred to me that they had anything to with each other until it was pointed out here. I also never saw "gyp" as derogatory - I saw it as slang for cheat. Maybe I think of derogatory differently -- I don't know. But until a couple of years ago when this first came up here, I had no clue.

Also, I thought it was spelled "jipped". So I wouldn't have made the "gyp-" connection.

Shakesville is down to about 25 non-offensive terms (that's unkind of me to say, but I am amazed at things they either ban or include trigger warnings for)

Right? I started to think ignorance was bliss. Everything I say must offend SOMEONE.

When a situation arises such as that, I like "big ball of bitch", as in "don't be a"

Oh, but "bitch" is a sexist slur too! ALL WORDS ARE BAD.

I'm definitely familiar with the Gypsy stereotype, and the first time I really thought about the word "gyp," the derogatory nature of it was immediately apparent to me. Heck, the very first thing I was told when I started working at a local clothes store several years ago was to watch out for Irish Travelers, although I never did encounter one in the 9 months I worked there.

I'm not sure what distinction you're making here w/r/t "crazy" and "retarded." It's okay to use "crazy" as slang because it's never had a medical-textbook clinical usage, but it's not okay to use "retarded" as slang because it did have medical-textbook clinical usage? (I'm not challenging you here; I'm just not clear on what you're saying.)

Pretty much. The word "retarded" in the context of "mentally retarded" originated as a diagnosis (and in fact is still used as one), so taking that diagnosis and using it as a general slur seems obviously disrespectful. The word means "slowed" and came to mean "stupid" solely because kids are mean to students classified as needing specialized education. Heck, "special ed" itself has become a slur, and that, too, strikes me as obviously wrong. "Crazy", on the other hand, is a word that would never be used by a medical professional; it's not a diagnosis, it's just a slur. So using it as a slur seems correct.

That doesn't mean it's a good thing to use slurs at all. Obviously it's not. But if I say "George W. Bush is stupid" I'm being mean, but I'm not being politically incorrect. If I say "George W. Bush is such a retard," I'm being both. If I say "George W. Bush is crazy", I think I'm being mean. If I say "George W. Bush is a psycho" perhaps I'm being both. And if I call somebody struggling with manic depression crazy then I'm using it as a slur, and it might hurt them more than it would somebody else, but I think the thing to call me on is using a slur at ALL, not the particular one I used.

Why is every click a double post today?