I just caught a couple minutes of Lance Armstrong on Hardball. Man, Chris Matthews is a schmuck.
amych will know more about the testing than I do.
t /Tour de France likes carrots
Yes, there is. There's a hurry, Xander. I'm dying...I may have as few as fifty years left.
Anya ,'Same Time, Same Place'
Natter 53: We could just avoid making tortured puns
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
Dana - Jul 25, 2007 2:30:44 pm PDT #195 of 10001
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."
Kat - Jul 25, 2007 2:32:24 pm PDT #196 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo
After reading the article, I'm still wigged by the idea that people are using blood transfusions (!!) to recover! Where it says that Vinokourov had two different types of blood in system do they mean blood types? And how is that possible unless one of the types is O?
Jesse - Jul 25, 2007 2:36:33 pm PDT #197 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
In other news, did anyone see the CNN/YouTube debate, or coverage thereof? A semi-worker was totally all over all of it! Jon Stewart told her she could "do better" than her partner! Bananas!! (Semi-coworker because she works for the NYC local branch and I work for national, but we're in the same space.)
§ ita § - Jul 25, 2007 2:38:20 pm PDT #198 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
do they mean blood types? And how is that possible unless one of the types is O?
I don't think it's type, no.
From velonews:
Homologous transfusion is now the focal point of the current doping controversy. All individuals have a specific and consistent genetically programmed blood type. Each blood cell in the body has markers or antigens that hang off the cells. These specific antigens determine an individual's blood type. The major blood types are A, B, and O. The positive or negative value added to the ABO type refers to another antigen on the blood cell called Rh(d). If you have both the A antigen and the Rh(d) antigen, your blood type is A positive. In addition to these major antigens, there are numerous other "lesser" antigens that make up each person's blood composition. It is possible to test not only for one's major blood type (A+ or O-, for instance) but also for the lesser antigens on one's blood cell. By this test, we can define even more specifically the makeup of an individual's blood.
Home Improvement star bilked by older woman. Who's younger than I am...
Cate Blanchett fans should watch her new Elizabeth movie.
Profane kids are not cute. Nope. Well, to a non-parent, maybe sometimes.
brenda m - Jul 25, 2007 2:41:37 pm PDT #199 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there
In other news, did anyone see the CNN/YouTube debate, or coverage thereof?
I thought it was really quite good. The format worked out better than I expected.
A semi-worker was totally all over all of it! Jon Stewart told her she could "do better" than her partner!
Huh? I'm confused.
Kat - Jul 25, 2007 2:42:32 pm PDT #200 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo
Why is getting a blood transfusion cheating? I mean, it's not doping, per se. What about players, like football folks, who hang out in oxygen tents or use hypebaric chambers.
brenda m - Jul 25, 2007 2:44:25 pm PDT #201 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there
That's my thing, Kat. There's a lot in that vein that I really don't think should disqualify you. But the draconian outlook is pretty much destroying the sport.
Stephanie - Jul 25, 2007 2:47:26 pm PDT #202 of 10001
Trust my rage
I forget all the science, but the blood transfusion thing has been shown to be a huge boost. I've been wondering if it's cheating if it's your own blood.
I"ve been away from the computer all day, but let me see if I have this right - the stage winner has been kicked out two days in a row? That's almost worse than Landis.
§ ita § - Jul 25, 2007 2:48:17 pm PDT #203 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I don't know where exactly my line is, but using someone else's haemoglobin to absorb oxygen is on the "Hey! Stop that!" side of it.
Homologous versus autologous
There are two methods of doping through blood transfusions: autologous and homologous. With an autologous transfusion, an athlete receives his or her own blood. An athlete donates blood, stores it, and then receives the blood at a later point in time. The advantages of this technique are the avoidance of diseases such as HIV or hepatitis, the reduction of the risk of detection through testing, and the alleviation of potentially deadly transfusion reactions.
The downside of autologous doping is that it takes time for the body to recover from the loss of blood that occurs during donation. It would be hard to train effectively while having to donate a supply of blood sufficient to enhance performance. In a homologous transfusion, the blood comes from another person. The benefit of homologous transfusion is no decrease in performance during the donation period. However, the disadvantages are the risk of contracting blood born diseases, the risk of transfusion reactions, and increased transfusion sensitivity.
Homologous transfusion is now the focal point of the current doping controversy. All individuals have a specific and consistent genetically programmed blood type. Each blood cell in the body has markers or antigens that hang off the cells. These specific antigens determine an individual's blood type. The major blood types are A, B, and O. The positive or negative value added to the ABO type refers to another antigen on the blood cell called Rh(d). If you have both the A antigen and the Rh(d) antigen, your blood type is A positive. In addition to these major antigens, there are numerous other "lesser" antigens that make up each person's blood composition. It is possible to test not only for one's major blood type (A+ or O-, for instance) but also for the lesser antigens on one's blood cell. By this test, we can define even more specifically the makeup of an individual's blood.
Dana - Jul 25, 2007 2:49:31 pm PDT #204 of 10001
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."
I"ve been away from the computer all day, but let me see if I have this right - the stage winner has been kicked out two days in a row?
Yeah, except today's stage winner was also the leader of the race.