Hmm. Read HP7 or join watch&flail.
Decisions, decisions...
What time, and are we doing broadcast or DVD?
That's one spunky little girl you've raised. I'm gonna eat her.
The Mayor ,'End of Days'
Supernatural 1: Saving People, Hunting Things - the Family Business
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Anne W. - Jul 22, 2007 1:20:42 pm PDT #84 of 10002
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.
Amy - Jul 22, 2007 1:22:53 pm PDT #85 of 10002
Because books.
I think that John was just terrified. If one subscribes to the theory of Dean-as-mother, it seems believable that one parent would lash out at the other out of fear. John saw Dean as being responsible, and falling down on that responsibility, rather than being an eight year old who is also SCARED out of his brainpan.
I get the reaction, completely. I've had it myself, when one of the kids does something like run into the street. You're so relieved one moment, and furious the next.
In this situation, I understand John feeling that way. But I think a) he shouldn't have actually voiced it, or should have at least explained his reaciton later, and b) it should have been more of a wake-up call for just how much he was putting on Dean's shoulders.
Cass - Jul 22, 2007 1:25:07 pm PDT #86 of 10002
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.
Dean was giving up life and soul (the former of which he was convinced shouldn't have been there to give up in the first place) primarily to reverse Sam's death, yes, but I think that the knowledge that there was a battle coming, that he needed to be part of it, and that he couldn't, not without Sam, factored in. So in weighing the options, his life and soul vs. Sam and the world? No contest.I don't think that Dean cared for a second about the world. He couldn't live in a world where Sam was dead, so he didn't. I want to think it was that he knew there was a battle that he needed to fight, but I don't. He just can't live or function in a world where Sam dies in his arms.
But he absolutely also doesn't think he should still be alive. And he shouldn't twice over. Both with the Reaper in Faith and then everything but-the-final-sig-on-the-paperwork dying after the accident in IMToD. So bargaining his life away doesn't mean a lot.
His soul does mean something but he'd give that for Sammy. He'll give every single thing he has and every single thing he could steal for Sam.
Lee - Jul 22, 2007 1:25:44 pm PDT #87 of 10002
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.
What time, and are we doing broadcast or DVD
6:00 board time, I think, which means I have to watch my itunes version, and I suspect other west coasters do as well.
Cass - Jul 22, 2007 1:32:08 pm PDT #88 of 10002
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.
which means I have to watch my itunes version, and I suspect other west coasters do as well.Pish.
DVR, baby... or the disks I burned from DVR... But ELaClown is still saved on my tv.
Anne W. - Jul 22, 2007 1:33:30 pm PDT #89 of 10002
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.
I think a) he shouldn't have actually voiced it, or should have at least explained his reaciton later, and b) it should have been more of a wake-up call for just how much he was putting on Dean's shoulders.
I absolutely agree with b. I have a feeling, though, that with option a, even if John had explained until he turned blue in the face, Dean wouldn't remember that. He would remember his father's anger, and that if Sam had died, it would have been all his fault.
Lee - Jul 22, 2007 1:37:06 pm PDT #90 of 10002
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.
DVR, baby... or the disks I burned from DVR... But ELaClown is still saved on my tv.
Well fine. I'll just be ahead of everyone else.
SPOILERS AHOY
P.M. Marc - Jul 22, 2007 1:38:47 pm PDT #91 of 10002
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
I don't think that Dean cared for a second about the world. He couldn't live in a world where Sam was dead, so he didn't. I want to think it was that he knew there was a battle that he needed to fight, but I don't. He just can't live or function in a world where Sam dies in his arms.
I don't think he cared about it, but I think he felt like he should.
Where I'm coming from goes back to his reaction to Bobby, when Bobby reminds him that what's coming down is end of the world big. Not the part where Dean says 'so let it end', but the second part, where he apologies, owning the fact that he just can't be that soldier. He knows there's a duty there, but it's meaningless to him. And he bitches, and tries to slow Sam down, but he doesn't fight against getting back on the battlefield too long or too hard before they're back at Bobby's and he's declaring them back in the mix.
P.M. Marc - Jul 22, 2007 1:41:52 pm PDT #92 of 10002
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
I have a feeling, though, that with option a, even if John had explained until he turned blue in the face, Dean wouldn't remember that. He would remember his father's anger, and that if Sam had died, it would have been all his fault.
I agree. It's that ongoing conversation about what Sam or John says to Dean, vs. what Dean hears/takes away from it.
I don't think John ever quite knew quite how screwed in the head Dean is in this respect, and I think Sam's just beginning to get it.
P.M. Marc - Jul 22, 2007 1:51:03 pm PDT #93 of 10002
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
And because I am lazy, and don't feel like editing, the world part of things re: crossroads, doesn't read to me like primary or even secondary motivation, but it does read like secondary mental justification for doing something such as making deals with devils. (With the primary justification being that it's just putting things back as they should have been, had John not meddled.)