Yeah, I kind of thought at the time that's what Ellen was going to tell Jo to keep them apart. But that isn't the direction they went.

But I can see it.

Thank you, Austin!

I like the idea of Ellen having had something with John, however messed up and tormented -- but I really don't like the idea of Jo being John's daughter.

This, and it's not just the potential incesty vibes that would come from it. Another issue I have is believing that John would sleep with another man's (especially a friend's) wife so close to his own wife's death (Jo's not that much younger than Sam, right?).

I can, however, easily imagine any number of circumstances when they might hook up later, most likely for something they'd both dismiss right after as a "just this once/this was a mistake" kind of thing. Repeated a few times, perhaps, but hardly a grand romance and hardly healthy.

I'm sitting on Anne's bench. I just can't make myself believe that Jo is John's, I never considered it as a possibility.

Consuela, I'm still wading through the summergens I want to read, and I haven't gotten to yours yet. But I have it marked, and I'm sort of using it as a carrot to get other stuff done.

You know, I miss smoking. "When I finish this pile of filing I'll slip out for a smoke. Okay, maybe this pile, too. And I can take the mail on my way out." Fic sort of gives me the same mental and emotional kick as a reward for Getting Stuff Done.

Consuela, I'm still wading through the summergens I want to read, and I haven't gotten to yours yet.

It is very good, and I would not mind seeing a sequel should Consuela ever wish to write one.

I still have a number of fics to go through. Ones that were shorter I tended to read on the spot if time permitted, but there are a number I noted as "ooh, gotta read that later."

Another issue I have is believing that John would sleep with another man's (especially a friend's) wife so close to his own wife's death

The scenario that I can see is that John was so wrapped up with grief and trying to take care of the boys in that first year that any words of comfort or assistance from Ellen with the boys while they were little could have turned to more. Not love, but gratitude, and wanting something to take the pain away. The remorse may have been the reason why the boys were never around her when they were old enough to remember her. In fact, after that, I can see John shutting down even more emotionally and being the man we met.

I was just coming up with a scenario that really makes sense to me though. I'm perfectly fine with Jo not being John's daughter. :) I'm so in love with Mary after Dean's genie episode that I'm more than fine with John never being with anyone again.

status: still not spoiled. prediction: I will be by this time tomorrow.

AUSTIN! Back away from the spoilers!

I know.....but the episode is so close and they are leaking pics of Jared and Jensen around Vancouver and the teaser made you guys excited....

Okay, I'm good for a few more hours. Thanks Amy!

One way to avoid spoilers is to have a story you really need to finish before the premiere.

Also, I have to call Comcast: my CW reception is all staticky. So annoying.

I didn't see the teaser! I've got my resolve face on! Read fic instead and distract yourself!

Don't make me get my tough love out.

Oh lord, not Amy's tough love. That shit be scary.